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Post by 4TheLuvOfBilly44 on Feb 20, 2004 2:21:17 GMT -5
What about people a player goes to school with, or may have regular contact with...maybe someone he isn't friends with. If they are UK fans and they start talking to him about UK basketball, then are they violating something? OR what about his best friend? Sorry, this is just one of the dumbest things I have heard. Couldn't I just start talking to Louisville recruits and act like a big UL supporter...then get them in trouble? Am I gonna get arrested for that? What are they gonna do, go to my house and see if I have a bunch of UL or UK stuff to decide whether I really am a UL "Booster" according to the definition. I agree 110% with you. Sandi, as well as the majority of this board has taken this rule a little too far. Golfsnr, and you thought I was the one being a little too emotional about this.
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Post by Administrator on Feb 20, 2004 4:31:26 GMT -5
This is a very 'touchy' subject and I understand the views and frustrations of all sides. I'm just glad I never followed up on my plans to attend a St. Albans game and do a little interview with Adam Williams....and I did plan to do that very thing. Thank God the hospital kept me working too much eh?
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Post by Administrator on Feb 20, 2004 4:48:24 GMT -5
Also, for all those interested, no one is avoiding any particular questions. If no answer has came, that's because we simply do not know and I'm certain that only a select few can give an accurate response anyway.
I'll paste a few 'highlights' from the NCAA Rules Compliance page at official UK site.
See the Brian Poe case.
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Post by Administrator on Feb 20, 2004 5:45:05 GMT -5
Here's an example of why this rule is so confusing and frustrating to the fans. It's a quote from this mornings LHL: Link
I think this is where most 'casual' fans become frustrated. We must avoid contact until the prospect is enrolled and on campus but a reporter (media entity) can do interviews and even 'recruit' for a particular school yet we hear nothing about it.
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Post by ForeverBigBlue on Feb 20, 2004 8:43:16 GMT -5
4theLuvofTubby, I really understand your confusion and frustration of the interpretation of this rule. Does it seem its being taken to the extreme? Perhaps. HOWEVER, this is what we need to keep in mind. The rules do not only apply to basketball, but to recruits in all NCAA sports. Knowing our fairly recent issues with the football program, and back in the late 80's with the b-ball program, and because of our standing as the winningest program NCAA basketball history, we (well, UK LOL) is under a microscope. There are thousands upon thousands of rival fans that would love nothing better than to see Kentucky fail or commit some kind of NCAA violation again. Do I agree with a lot of NCAA rules? No way. I prefer my "rules" in life to have at least a semblence of logic, and that is in very short supply in the NCAA rule book. Do I think some rules are enforced to extreme measures? Absolutely. But, do I support Sandy Bell and the entire compliance staff at UK? Bank on it! They have an impossible job. First they have to enforce rules that sometimes even the NCAA can't explain. Then they have to play watchdog & try to keep fans, "boosters" and the general public aware of rules so they will not inadvertantly violate one & put a recruit's status with UK in jeopardy. When its all said and done, regardless of how silly it seems and how much I may think my rights as an American are being stifled, I will gladly applaud the entire UK compliance department if they err on the side of caution. I would like to issue my heartfelt thanks to Sandy for joining our board & taking the time to answer questions that were posed. To the members, I hope nobody leaves over this issue. Heck guys (and gals...dang it, where are all the gals these days anyway? I'm lost in a sea of testosterone any more! ), we've disagreed about tons of things in the past, but still had a lot of fun talking about our Cats. I hope that continues to be our focus! Go Big Blue! (said in general & not to any recruit or potential recruit!)
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Post by TexasBlue on Feb 20, 2004 10:26:16 GMT -5
WOW!!!!!!!!!! Glad you guys and gals started this off without me. Pretty serious stuff that has a lot of you posters riled up big time. Why does this get so many of you all so upset? It not like it is something that affects you every day. Think I will just stick with going to the parties that the Colorado Football team have. Now there is a serious party. That's what I'm talkin about. Now that would get my attention fellows. (no ncaa types would be invited) I have a book on old and new silly and crazy laws that are actually on the books for each state. I can find some great examples that would be right in line with some of the NCAA rules, make that a lot of the NCAA rules. It's Friday, it's Friday. Cheer up everyone! As for me, I will take off work at noon and go fishing or golfing just so I don't get upset about anything. Maybe even drop off at Hotters. ;D
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Post by TexasBlue on Feb 20, 2004 11:16:26 GMT -5
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Post by golfnsr on Feb 20, 2004 11:38:13 GMT -5
Hey TB The locks are already changed and you can pickup your things at Hooters!!
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Post by TexasBlue on Feb 20, 2004 11:58:27 GMT -5
Hey TB The locks are already changed and you can pickup your things at Hooters!! Man, she (FBB) is getting out of control. It is just for the wings I told her.
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Post by ForeverBigBlue on Feb 20, 2004 12:06:22 GMT -5
And I told you that you can pick up a box of those wings at Kroger. Heck, I'll pick them up for you and then you can't say they weren't delivered.
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Post by UKCOMPLIANCE on Feb 20, 2004 12:44:14 GMT -5
OK - The theme for today is going to be "common sense"! If you will remember, when asked about a father and his son approaching a recruit for an autograph, the response was to go up and ask him for the autograph would be considered a contact. But lets use common sense here. If a little kid stands in line and hands one of these guys his program or whatever, that is not going to be a problem. However, in my extensive expereince of observing players being approached for autographs, a little kid almost always comes accompanied by an adult whose real desire is to have a conversation with that player. Often, it is more about the adult than the child. Believe me the players and recruits would be most happy to just sign the autograph and move on to the next person without all the chat. So, in response to those with children who like to get autographs from recruits, use some reason and common sense here and don't use your kid to put yourself in a situation where you can break the rule by "chatting the kid up". Spam Hate has done an excellent job of pulling some specific information off our compliance web-site that should be helpful in answering a lot of questions. Many of the situations being brought up here are bordering on ridiculous and I think we can all agree that the intent of these rules is clear. The only people who can have contact with a basketball recruit OFF UK's campus are the four coaches we have hired to coach this team. Other UK athletic department staff members are permitted to have contact ON our campus in order to do our jobs. No one else is permitted to have contact with them at all until they start classes in the fall term and officially become an enrolled student-athlete as opposed to a recruit. Very easy, very simple. Media people can interview a recruit to ask informational questions but can not use that as an opportunity to recruit. Example: Asking a recruit if they are still committed to a school is informational. Asking if they might change their choice to another school is informational. If they then said "Well, don't forget, School B still wants you to come up here", that would not be informational but would cross the line into recruiting. We are currently in the process of trying to educate all our media on this particular issue. Some questions have also been asked about what the consequences to an institution have been for these types of problems. The fact is that the University of Kentucky will have to report the contents of the original post that started this discussion as a secondary violation of NCAA rules. We will show our efforts to educate people in a similar position to contact recurits as a corrective action we are taking to keep this from happening again. However, if we have to continue to report such instances, there could be more serious consequences. Before one of you guys comes back and says, "well, we will just go ahead and contact these guys we just won't talk about it", let me assure you that we are well aware that some of the people we are attempting to educate will go right ahead and break those rules anyway if they don't see any personal consequences to themselves. However, that is the world we live in unfortunately. What we are hoping to accomplish is to educate those who really care about the program enough to join us in doing things the right way because it is the right thing to do. Others will choose to put their own self-interests above those of the program and that will always be a problem. That being said, I think we have exhausted this particular issue. However, if any of you have reasonable questions that I can help you with feel free to post them or to e-mail me at sbell@uky.edu. You have some wonderful people out here on this board and I commend you for the attitude most of you have taken during these discussions. Thanks, Sandy
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Post by golfnsr on Feb 20, 2004 13:01:39 GMT -5
And I told you that you can pick up a box of those wings at Kroger. Heck, I'll pick them up for you and then you can't say they weren't delivered. Go, FBB!! I bet you have your hands full - sort of like letting him think he is in charge but also making sure that he doesn't hurt himself!!
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Post by ChrisR155 on Feb 20, 2004 13:05:51 GMT -5
Sandy,
I am sorry, but Honestly I don't appreciate you using "common sense" as your theme. Cause if we look at this all with common sense then we all realize that the NCAA rule when applied to common sense is compeletely Bull.
You said that only the coaches hired by the team are able to have contact with the player. Where do you draw the line? Seriously! Again I ask about people from the players high school...they may have never talked to him before in their life, but seen him every day. If one of them happens to be a UK fan and decides to ask a question, then are we in violation? Someone who goes to this kids high school games every year, but also happens to be a UK fan....maybe even talked to him a little before he ever thought of UK....is he in violation? Sorry, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but that is a bunch of crap.
Where do you draw the line?
Is he allowed to even talk to the person at the checkout line at the grocery? They might be a UK fan. Maybe he should become a monk and take a vow of silence until he finally comes onto campus.
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Post by ForeverBigBlue on Feb 20, 2004 13:10:52 GMT -5
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Post by TexasBlue on Feb 20, 2004 13:14:41 GMT -5
And I told you that you can pick up a box of those wings at Kroger. Heck, I'll pick them up for you and then you can't say they weren't delivered. You win! :'(Get the wings, cook the wings, and I will eat them.
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