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Post by Bailey on Jul 15, 2005 12:45:21 GMT -5
I have stated that I disagree with Tubby on accepting Morris back, but would have a wait and see attitude.
That leads me to ask the question What would the two most important coaches in UK history (Rupp and Hall) do about Morris return?
I feel both would have told him to hit the road, especially after how he treated Tubby and the university. The program reputation to important.
Bailey
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Post by golfnsr on Jul 15, 2005 13:15:09 GMT -5
I have stated that I disagree with Tubby on accepting Morris back, but would have a wait and see attitude. That leads me to ask the question What would the two most important coaches in UK history (Rupp and Hall) do about Morris return? I feel both would have told him to hit the road, especially after how he treated Tubby and the university. The program reputation to important. Bailey Bailey, glad you are back with your good ideas and I couldn't agree more with this one.  I really feel like Tubby and the University "sold out".  |
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Post by TexasBlue on Jul 15, 2005 13:49:32 GMT -5
Win a National Championship, and much will be forgiven from here. ;D ;D  |
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Post by golfnsr on Jul 15, 2005 16:23:47 GMT -5
Win a National Championship, and much will be forgiven from here. ;D ;D TB, that's why I think they sold out - it was more to help the Cats win that to just reach out to some lost soul like Randlolph.  |
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Post by KY Kid on Jul 15, 2005 17:18:43 GMT -5
That's hard to say. College basketball is a lot different than it was 20-40 years ago. It's a much bigger business with a lot more pressure to win. Players have a lot more leverage now, because the opportunities are greater than they were back then. A player doesn't have to go to a UK, UNC, or UCLA to get exposure now. They can go to South Florida and still make millions down the road. As for the question, I have no idea about Hall, but I doubt Rupp would have welcomed him back. But I'm glad Randolph is getting a second chance. Life is about second chances. Did he deserve a second chance? Probably not. But it's not about if he deserved it or not, it's about doing what's best for the young man and the program. People make mistakes, especially 19 year old celebrities.
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Post by golfnsr on Jul 15, 2005 17:28:56 GMT -5
KY KID, you are so correct it is all about the dollars and winning today and that's why Second Chances for potential stars come much easier. |
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Post by KY Kid on Jul 15, 2005 17:31:46 GMT -5
Yup, that's absolutely correct. Unfortuneately life isn't always fair.
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Post by BlueCat on Jul 15, 2005 19:09:39 GMT -5
I have stated that I disagree with Tubby on accepting Morris back, but would have a wait and see attitude. That leads me to ask the question What would the two most important coaches in UK history (Rupp and Hall) do about Morris return? I feel both would have told him to hit the road, especially after how he treated Tubby and the university. The program reputation to important. Bailey Doesn't matter what those two guys would have done. It would only be speculation, but I doubt that Rupp would have allowed Morris back on the team, but then Rupp did things much differently than Tubby, Rick, or even Eddie Sutton would do today. Times are different today than they were then, and changing times demand different approaches. A lot can be said for money, and championships being the motivating factors here, and most likely they did have something to do with it. I really believe however that Tubby is also doing this out of the goodness that is in him. Morris is not such a dynamo that Tubby would think that he is the missing link to a championship. He performed very poorly last year, and to date in his workouts hasn't shown that he has the will to play to his potential. If Morris had really been that great an asset last year, I could then believe that it was just the money and championship possibility. I for one do not think giving kids second chances is selling out. Again that is just my opinion however naive it sounds. |
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Post by golfnsr on Jul 15, 2005 19:57:27 GMT -5
Tubby is setting a dangerous precedence on how to handle insubordination - yes I believe it was insubordination that the Morris' had quite a few opportunities to mend prior to it getting as far as it did. If bringing Morris back doesn't work, I don't even want to speculate on the consequences.  |
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Jul 15, 2005 22:18:37 GMT -5
That's why you take calculated risks. I'm sure this is a well calculated decision by Tubby. If he didn't think it had the chance to work, I don't think he would waste his time. He did the same with Rashaad Carruth and Jason Parker. You know we could have used Parker at the 5 in 2004, instead of having to place Daniels there.
As for Rupp and Hall... who knows? Pretty unfair to speculate what either would do also IMO, because it makes it seem like Tubby can't make his own decisions without Rupp and Hall's guideance. Who's to say that either of those two always made the right decision. Has Hall spoken out about it on his radio show? I think I can say that Rupp and Hall thought differently on things. In reading several books before, Rupp criticized Hall a lot, so they could have thought different things about this. However, it seems like Rupp trusted Hall even in his decision-making, because he (Hall) was the one entrusted to coach UK. I think they'd both support Tubby's decision also, even if they wouldn't have made the same decision.
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Post by CardHater on Jul 15, 2005 22:52:30 GMT -5
Win a National Championship, and much will be forgiven from here. ;D ;D TB, that's why I think they sold out - it was more to help the Cats win that to just reach out to some lost soul like Randlolph. I really don't think that is what this is all about. I think Tubby realizes this is a kid we are talking about and they make mistakes. We don't want to end a kids chance of ever making a career out of basketball just because he made a mistake. It is just self righteousness to beleive that people should be punished unmercifully for these type of actions. In the same spot I don't think are many of us who wouldn't have done something similar. Thank God for people like Tubby Smith to look out for people like Randolph Morris especially when these people have vultures for parents. At least somebody has his best interests at heart. |
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Post by CardHater on Jul 15, 2005 22:57:49 GMT -5
I have stated that I disagree with Tubby on accepting Morris back, but would have a wait and see attitude. That leads me to ask the question What would the two most important coaches in UK history (Rupp and Hall) do about Morris return? I feel both would have told him to hit the road, especially after how he treated Tubby and the university. The program reputation to important. Bailey Doesn't matter what those two guys would have done. It would only be speculation, but I doubt that Rupp would have allowed Morris back on the team, but then Rupp did things much differently than Tubby, Rick, or even Eddie Sutton would do today. Times are different today than they were then, and changing times demand different approaches. A lot can be said for money, and championships being the motivating factors here, and most likely they did have something to do with it. I really believe however that Tubby is also doing this out of the goodness that is in him. Morris is not such a dynamo that Tubby would think that he is the missing link to a championship. He performed very poorly last year, and to date in his workouts hasn't shown that he has the will to play to his potential. If Morris had really been that great an asset last year, I could then believe that it was just the money and championship possibility. I for one do not think giving kids second chances is selling out. Again that is just my opinion however naive it sounds. BC I agree wholeheartedly with you. Tubby has a giant heart, and that is the reason he is letting him back. The reason Rupp would have handled it differently is because he was to proud to let anything get in his way. Pride sounds nice but it will eat you up on the inside. Just think about where our football program might be if Rupp wasn't to proud to have a football program that equaled his basketball program at UK. Bear Bryant would never have been run off and all of his sucess may have been here instead of at Alabama. |
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Post by BlueCat on Jul 15, 2005 23:46:28 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what those two guys would have done. It would only be speculation, but I doubt that Rupp would have allowed Morris back on the team, but then Rupp did things much differently than Tubby, Rick, or even Eddie Sutton would do today. Times are different today than they were then, and changing times demand different approaches. A lot can be said for money, and championships being the motivating factors here, and most likely they did have something to do with it. I really believe however that Tubby is also doing this out of the goodness that is in him. Morris is not such a dynamo that Tubby would think that he is the missing link to a championship. He performed very poorly last year, and to date in his workouts hasn't shown that he has the will to play to his potential. If Morris had really been that great an asset last year, I could then believe that it was just the money and championship possibility. I for one do not think giving kids second chances is selling out. Again that is just my opinion however naive it sounds. BC I agree wholeheartedly with you. Tubby has a giant heart, and that is the reason he is letting him back. The reason Rupp would have handled it differently is because he was to proud to let anything get in his way. Pride sounds nice but it will eat you up on the inside. Just think about where our football program might be if Rupp wasn't to proud to have a football program that equaled his basketball program at UK. Bear Bryant would never have been run off and all of his sucess may have been here instead of at Alabama. I think you are dead on! |
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Post by Bailey on Jul 16, 2005 18:17:24 GMT -5
The issue is how the University is looked upon, along with Integrity and Character . We have already seen some negatives being published by Fortee and ESPN. This is not good.
As far as times have changed and $$$ I disagree. The last time I looked we were selling out every game.
As far as times changing I also disagree. It has nothing to do with change it has to do with Integrity and Character. Morris did not show the University and Tubby the respect they deserved. We don't need a reputation for accepting this type of player.
This makes me think that there is an another reason that Tubby allowed Morris back. That is so we can make it to the Final Four and take some of the heat off Tubby.
I guess only time will tell if he did the right thing.
Bailey
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Post by BlueCat on Jul 16, 2005 20:16:57 GMT -5
The issue is how the University is looked upon, along with Integrity and Character . We have already seen some negatives being published by Fortee and ESPN. This is not good. As far as times have changed and $$$ I disagree. The last time I looked we were selling out every game. As far as times changing I also disagree. It has nothing to do with change it has to do with Integrity and Character. Morris did not show the University and Tubby the respect they deserved. We don't need a reputation for accepting this type of player. This makes me think that there is an another reason that Tubby allowed Morris back. That is so we can make it to the Final Four and take some of the heat off Tubby. I guess only time will tell if he did the right thing. Bailey The only negatives I've read have been directed at Tubby in articles that also praised him. UK has always been a target for some. It has nothing to do with the current situation. It has everything to do with the fact that we are the winningest program in NCAA history. When you are on top there are those that want to knock you off. That won't change. I could be wrong, but I would almost bet a months pay that Tubby and the university would have taken much, much more heat from the media had they not reached out to Morris. I can just hear them now talking about how heartless Tubby and the athletics department are for not reaching out to a kid that had made a mistake. Yeah they would have put some spin on it and made it look like the only reason Tubby didn't allow Morris back was because of his shelfishness in wanting 4 year players so he could win a championship, or how the negative press had hurt the university and booster funds would be down. There are many ways to spin it, but the bottom line is that Morris is a kid that made some bad mistakes, and Tubby took the high road for what ever reason and the the media isn't able to make much out of it at all without making themselves out the villain. Did Tubby make a mistake in taking Morris back? IMO regardless of how it works out he made the right decision because no one will be able to point a finger at him or the university and say that they didn't care about the student, all they cared about was winning. This IMO was a slam dunk decision that will pay huge dividends to the university in the future. Does Morris deserve to be disciplined? Absolutely! |
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