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Post by rajon4rondo on Aug 22, 2007 3:49:59 GMT -5
Vick will rightfully get 12-18 months, it's Federal so by law has to serve 87% of his sentence.. So 10-15 months in Prison and 2-3 months in a half-way house after his release.... -D ehhh, at least 85% in a federal penetentiary....little, if anything after that.
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Post by rajon4rondo on Aug 22, 2007 4:16:17 GMT -5
just found this to be interesting:
The United States has among the highest incarceration rates in the world. More people are behind bars in the United States than any other country. As of 2006, a record 7 million people were behind bars, on probation or on parole. Of the total, 2.2 million were incarcerated. The People's Republic of China ranks second with 1.5 million. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population.
United States of America population: 302,667,807
People's Republic of China population: 1,321,851,888
do we really have room for all the mike vicks in this country to be behind bars?
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Post by seymour on Aug 22, 2007 9:38:27 GMT -5
just found this to be interesting: The United States has among the highest incarceration rates in the world. More people are behind bars in the United States than any other country. As of 2006, a record 7 million people were behind bars, on probation or on parole. Of the total, 2.2 million were incarcerated. The People's Republic of China ranks second with 1.5 million. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population. United States of America population: 302,667,807 People's Republic of China population: 1,321,851,888 do we really have room for all the mike vicks in this country to be behind bars? I am reminded of an incident that occurred a good many years ago. There was a factory in China that produced an unacceptable number of defective refrigerators. The government rounded up the Plant's management staff, lined them up before a firing squad, and killed them. No trial, no jury, no sense of fair play or any human emotion. Just executed them. Now you don't really want China's justice system in this country. But if we started just executing prisoners, we would certainly have less prison population. Comparing prison populations is a poor way of comparing justice systems.
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Post by tayshaun on Aug 22, 2007 15:50:20 GMT -5
Would you please locate anywhere in my sentence where I mentioned anything about Mike Tyson? How in the hell am i "trying to say" that they are equal if I don't mention it?! And for your information, I was not alive when Tyson was arrested. I was only 3 when he was released from jail. I really don't think that I can give you any explanations about Tyson. Also, since you don't seem to think that what Vick did is that big a deal, are you trying to say that dog fighting should be legal? You see, that is exactly what you did to me by putting words in my mouth. So, since you seem to think that I think that rape is not as bad as dog fighting, I seem to think that you think dog fighting should be legal. Michael Vick did not only gamble and fund the dog fights, he participated in the executions of 8 dogs in one day, and probably many more in the past. Does that seem like an OK thing to do? you said mike vick should be sentenced to 6 years. mike tyson was sentenced to 6 years. they committed completely different levels of crime. i am asking if you think there should be equal punishment for completely differently levels of crime. i personally don't like what mike vick did, but i really don't care. just like i don't care about what happens to all the animals whose meat i happen to eat. do you eat meat? do you care about the mass slaughter of those animals? they're his dogs that he purchased, and it was done on his property. who am i to say that what he did is much worse than hunting even though they are essentially the same thing? should he really go to jail for a year or more for that? jamal lewis was convicted of setting up a major cocaine deal across state lines, something that had a fairly negative effect on hundreds, if not thousands of people, yet he only spent 4 months in a halfway house. i know you were alive for that. #1. You did not "ask" me if i thought they were equal. Your exact quote was "are you trying to say dogfighting is on the same level or worse than forcibly raping another human being?" #2. If you don't care about what Vick did, why have you posted so much on the topic #3. Luckily for all of us you are not the one to decide if it was right or wrong. The law says what he did was wrong. People with morals say what he did was wrong. #4. What does Lewis have to do with this? Also, it takes a much colder heart to kill dogs than to set up a cocaine deal.
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Post by tayshaun on Aug 22, 2007 15:55:44 GMT -5
just found this to be interesting: The United States has among the highest incarceration rates in the world. More people are behind bars in the United States than any other country. As of 2006, a record 7 million people were behind bars, on probation or on parole. Of the total, 2.2 million were incarcerated. The People's Republic of China ranks second with 1.5 million. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population. United States of America population: 302,667,807 People's Republic of China population: 1,321,851,888 do we really have room for all the mike vicks in this country to be behind bars? So, your solution to prison overcrowding would be to release all of the people arrested for dog fighting. There are people that have done much lesser crimes that are in jail. If you really want to focus on a crime that people shouldn't be in jail for, focus on a much lesser crime. And yes, we do want the Michael Vick's of this country behind bars. I am also wondering if you would say the same thing if Michael Vick was not rich and famous. I know I would still want someone who committed the crimes that Vick did to go to jail for 6 years.
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Post by uk4life on Aug 22, 2007 16:16:07 GMT -5
just found this to be interesting: The United States has among the highest incarceration rates in the world. More people are behind bars in the United States than any other country. As of 2006, a record 7 million people were behind bars, on probation or on parole. Of the total, 2.2 million were incarcerated. The People's Republic of China ranks second with 1.5 million. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population. United States of America population: 302,667,807 People's Republic of China population: 1,321,851,888 do we really have room for all the mike vicks in this country to be behind bars? So, your solution to prison overcrowding would be to release all of the people arrested for dog fighting. . You were so upset about r4r putting words in your mouth earlier, please tell me where r4r said release all dogfighters.
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Post by tayshaun on Aug 22, 2007 16:28:51 GMT -5
Now he knows how it feels.
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Post by uk4life on Aug 22, 2007 16:37:20 GMT -5
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind tayshaun.
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Post by tayshaun on Aug 22, 2007 16:48:39 GMT -5
Then we would need guide dogs.
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Post by uk4life on Aug 22, 2007 17:09:17 GMT -5
haha
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Post by rajon4rondo on Aug 22, 2007 17:24:44 GMT -5
you said mike vick should be sentenced to 6 years. mike tyson was sentenced to 6 years. they committed completely different levels of crime. i am asking if you think there should be equal punishment for completely differently levels of crime. i personally don't like what mike vick did, but i really don't care. just like i don't care about what happens to all the animals whose meat i happen to eat. do you eat meat? do you care about the mass slaughter of those animals? they're his dogs that he purchased, and it was done on his property. who am i to say that what he did is much worse than hunting even though they are essentially the same thing? should he really go to jail for a year or more for that? jamal lewis was convicted of setting up a major cocaine deal across state lines, something that had a fairly negative effect on hundreds, if not thousands of people, yet he only spent 4 months in a halfway house. i know you were alive for that. #1. You did not "ask" me if i thought they were equal. Your exact quote was "are you trying to say dogfighting is on the same level or worse than forcibly raping another human being?" #2. If you don't care about what Vick did, why have you posted so much on the topic #3. Luckily for all of us you are not the one to decide if it was right or wrong. The law says what he did was wrong. People with morals say what he did was wrong. #4. What does Lewis have to do with this? Also, it takes a much colder heart to kill dogs than to set up a cocaine deal. #1-re-read what you just said there. you say i did not ask you if you thought they were equal, yet you include a direct quote from me where i ask you if you are trying to say that they are on the same level. the quote was a question, therefore i had to be asking you. i said 'are you trying to say', not 'you are saying'. reading is fundamental. #2-i don't care about what mike vick, but i care about this story. i care about the story because of some people trying to crucify and condemn michael vick, yet after they get done ranting about how bad of a person he is, they grab their rifle, go out in the woods, and proceed to blow a deers brain out. #3-"people with morals say what he did was wrong." so you are implying that i have no morals, simply because of my opinion. that is the lynch mob mentality i speak of in this story. deion sanders gave his honest opinion in an article and the nfl prevented it from being published. clinton portis gave his honest opinion on camera and was villified and eventually forced to apologize...for having an opinion and letting it be known. think about that. so i give my opinion and now i'm morally bankrupt. good to see everyone is so open-minded. #4-i brought up lewis to see what you thought of his crime and punishment. do you really think it's worse to inflict pain on 50 dogs than it is to deal death to humans, ruining far more lives than that of only the user? why do you think that michael vick deserves 18x the sentence that jamal lewis received?
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Post by tayshaun on Aug 22, 2007 17:44:46 GMT -5
I think that Jamal Lewis should have gotten a much larger sentence than he did. That is a case in which if it had been a non-famous person, they would have gotten many years in jail.
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