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Post by kj on Jan 8, 2003 1:16:07 GMT -5
Ohio with a 3-6 record is hardly a juggernaut. You ever think maybe we're not as good as some would like to think. Our rankings in the polls kinda reflects that idea. One other question TG, if we had played Duke's schedule do you think we would have had their same big dance record the last three years?
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Post by Tummygoat on Jan 8, 2003 1:58:40 GMT -5
I will concede to Duke. They have a hall of fame coach and an awesome program. But not being as good as Duke doesnt make UK fall off the map.
kj, I dont really defend Tubby personally, I'm trying to defend our program from people saying we have fallen off the map. Indeed we are not anywhere near our expectations. We play like the best team in the country one night and then the next day we look worse than average. That's not a trend I'm happy with. I'm not thrilled we lose 10 games a season or give up in the middle of the game to allow teams that are poor (or worse, Pitino) come back and scare us. I'm not thrilled that the players reflect Tubby's flawlessly charming personality and display it on the court to their opponents. I'm not thrilled each game we are worried what team, players, and Coach will show up. I'm not thrilled that we have to be nervous the 1st round of the SEC and NCAA tournament. I hate those things, but in the end Tubby gets things done. He earns us that SEC East crown that we are so fearful of losing. He brought us 3 SEC tournament/season titles out of 5. He broughts us an appearance to every stage of the NCAA tournament. He provides us with 20 wins a season. We can look at the bad things to get rid of the Coach, but we cant seem to look at the good things and take them for granted. Right now is not the time for us to rid ourselves of Tubby. Its just not the right time. Our Ath Dept had its sights on Tubby from the moment Pitino left and right now we dont have that luxury. We will have a search just like football only worse because Barnhart will feel the pressure to hurry it up and make a huge mistake because fans are so critical of every move and wont let him take his time. Before you know it we'll get a coach that 60% of the people support and we might get all the things we are missing, but then we might lose all the things we have, which to all of my friends here is a lot more than we give credit and thanks for. Its just not the right time, but when it is and there is a young coach that all BBN is teething for and undeniably Kentuckys (someone like Pelphrey YEARS from now) then its time. For now just be thankful we have basketball to watch and as long as Tubby is here you can expect some enigmatic play, but you can also expect great Marches, because he's provided us with only one real poor March (2000) and one last season that was very good for the shape the program was in.
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Post by catzfaninohio on Jan 8, 2003 8:31:09 GMT -5
the thing i think most upsets non orlando supporters is the fact that it has not got any better and in the long run it doesnt look to get any better
with the players he gets
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Post by Kybluegal on Jan 8, 2003 11:28:47 GMT -5
the thing i think most upsets non orlando supporters is the fact that it has not got any better and in the long run it doesnt look to get any better with the players he gets You need to quit your vendetta against Tubby..It is fruitless..I don't understand why someone can dislike a person so bad...For Gods sake we are all UK WILDCAT fans..and damn proud of it..So buck it up buddy take a deep breath and quit putting Tubby down every breath you take!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by kj on Jan 8, 2003 20:38:11 GMT -5
Goat, you've listed a half a page of things about Tubby teams that make you uncomfortable, yet you say a share of the conference title, 20 W's, and sweet 16's make up for the negatives. You really think nobody can duplicate this record.
Give me a break, Bill Self has already said he would like the UK job at some point in time. Not the best coach in the world but he took Tulsa further down the road than one OTS did and is what 10-15 years younger than the Tub. If you think nobody out there worth a crap will take the highest paid job in the country with the fringes the UK job has I think you may be somewhat off in your judgement.
KBG, you are approaching meltdown, again. ;D I also think things are not going to get any better with Tubby without a super recruiting class or two. The last 3 years have been a reflection of Tubby's records everywhere he has been. If that's good enough for you, fine. I think we should be doing better.
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Post by TexasBlue on Feb 6, 2003 21:28:05 GMT -5
It is fun to go back and read some of these comments and posts from a month ago. Most of the comments about how things are so terrible are from other than UK fans and supporters, IMO. I have said 30 wins from the begining, I still say it now. Those, whom I consider "other than UK fans" who have not been positive and always find negative things to comment about, should just come out of the forest and state to everyone WHY THEY DO NOT SUPPORT THE CURRENT PROGRAM. ----THERE, I am done!!!
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Post by ForeverBigBlue on Feb 7, 2003 11:20:19 GMT -5
I will explain this yet again: support for a coach or non-support for a coach should not be translated as support or non-support for said coach's program.
It is VERY possible to be a UK fan and not be a Tubby fan. I personally cannot separate the coach from the program as neatly & cleanly as some can, but I've been around UK basketball enough to understand it is possible. So please do NOT refer to people who are not fond of Tubby as not being supporters of UK. Its simply not the case.
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Post by georgiawildcatfan on Feb 14, 2004 21:33:02 GMT -5
UK Basketball is doomed until we lose Tubby. We're the only team in the country that does not improve with each game. Same old, same old every game..............
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Feb 14, 2004 21:54:10 GMT -5
UK Basketball is doomed until we lose Tubby. We're the only team in the country that does not improve with each game. Same old, same old every game.............. I guess you haven't seen Florida play yet, have you. Since you obviously haven't seen them, I'll tell you about them: they play well in the regular season, but when it comes to tourney time, they falter. I guess you haven't noticed that. But, I don't see how you haven't considering, the same thing has happened to Florida since 2001.
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Post by Administrator on Feb 15, 2004 17:26:55 GMT -5
UK Basketball is doomed until we lose Tubby. We're the only team in the country that does not improve with each game. Same old, same old every game.............. I think I've seen improvement. Doomed? Did you feel this way 48 hours ago? As I've said before, this loss really stings for many reasons but I don't necessarily think we're 'doomed'
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Post by ChrisR155 on Feb 15, 2004 23:57:06 GMT -5
6-1 against top 25 teams.
I don't think anyone could be considered doomed when they have that kind of stat to boast. We play a bad game against a team that comes to play against the big opponents, and might I mention without our leading scorer, and all of the sudden we are doomed. The style of ball that Georgia plays is the exact style of ball a team needs to beat UK...it was a very similar style to the one that UL used to beat us. There is still hope....there is always still hope.
"...we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope." Romans 5:3
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Post by georgiawildcatfan on Feb 16, 2004 18:51:20 GMT -5
Doomed! yes Doomed!
Come on guys, stop viewing everything through rose colored glasses. UK has not improved since Rick left and no one wants to admit it.
I don't know what age group posts here but I am an old timer and can even remember the Rupp years when Kentucky Basketball struck fear in their opponents.
Come on, admit he's not getting it done...........
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Post by kyblueintenn on Feb 16, 2004 19:08:52 GMT -5
I started watching the Cats in 1970 myself, and I remember Rupp through those days, but I also remember a different day in basketball then No 5/8 rules to limit recruiting, practice time was not limited the way it is today. College players were not jumping straight to the pro's then, not the way they do today anyway. College ball is so much more competitive today due to alot of these factors. Look at kansas,North Carolina,UCLA (big problems),and some of the other big schools, their losing more and more games as well, simply because the college game is more equal today than it was years ago. How many blow-outs do you see by 35-40 points any more. Back in the "Day", the Cats Dominated almost all SEC teams at one time or another , blowing out teams CONSTANTLY by 25-40 points.Did Pittino teams do that,constantly? No, because the game has changed. If the Cats play bad, I will be the first to say so, no rose colored glasses here, AT ALL ! But look at the Cats record over the time Tubby has been the coaches, and pull up All the big time schools over the same time, and then lets see what it looks like ! Duke, Carolina,Arizona,Kansas,,UCLA, Florida, Michigan St, Indiana,Notre Dame(how they have fallen since then),Louisville, go ahead, then lets talk about it some more.
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Post by ChrisR155 on Feb 16, 2004 19:19:07 GMT -5
kyblue....that would just be too logical though. Why would we use statistical information to defend our arguments?
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Post by kyblueintenn on Feb 16, 2004 19:26:05 GMT -5
kyblue....that would just be too logical though. Why would we use statistical information to defend our arguments? Sorry chris, I was somewhere else pal. Know what you mean bro ! Gets old !
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