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Post by kj on Nov 21, 2002 21:04:02 GMT -5
Haven't liked Tubby's coaching since his 2nd year here, it's like some one turned the light off that year. However, he may have many fine qualities that do not show up on the bball court. That does not make him the right man for the UK job necessarilly.
As far as the race issue, many blame the dislike for Tubby on his color. In some cases that may be true, but do you think if he had gone to 4 Elite 8's and 2 or 3 Final Fours in his five years here anybody would be bitching? He hasn't lived up to his Rp's record in any sense. I could put up with being green with yellow polka dots if he had Pitino's record. He doesn't and if you go by past history never will.
Also don't think UK won't give Tubby a little extra rope because of his color. The perceived racist label given UK and Merlene Davis' of the world will see to that, publicity wise.
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Post by Administrator on Nov 21, 2002 21:08:40 GMT -5
20 just last season. Side note to all: Please respect your fellow poster. |
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Post by cataholic on Nov 21, 2002 21:15:13 GMT -5
I believe the argueing has been fairly heated but very respectful.
You know me, I'm not one to cause any controversy.LOL
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Post by Administrator on Nov 21, 2002 21:17:31 GMT -5
You're right. Nothing I can't live with so far.  |
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Post by TexasBlue on Nov 21, 2002 21:42:45 GMT -5
I think the standards at U of K have changed changed over the last few years as far as how many games you win as to how you have run the program. This change in attitude at UK will be an important factor into how long Tubby remains here.
Exceptional comeback there CatAholic, good style!!
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Post by Tummygoat on Nov 21, 2002 21:43:51 GMT -5
lol Spam.
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Post by tcattn on Nov 24, 2002 4:44:42 GMT -5
Cataholic I do agree that Tubby's record the last 2 years shows that he is not be the coach for UK. But at the same time the "worthless piece and black" comments are really over the top my fellow Cat fan. Just because someone(white, black, or any other) is not the best doesn't make them worthless, just makes them not the best is all. Sure he has lost players and even chased a few off. But some of them players are gone because of Ath. Dept. rules that were broken, does that make them rules worthless because they cost us some good players, don't think so. I'm sure them same rules have cost us some recruits to but still it doesn't make them worthless. Like I said, I have recently come around to your thinking on Tubby's fitness for being UK's coach(slow learner :  but have to admit he is a good man just not a good UK coach is all. |
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Post by simbadawg on Dec 3, 2002 18:51:04 GMT -5
as far as my opinion goes, if there is no disclipline then there will be no victorys. i remember the game at vandy last year when ole tubb sit on the bench for 10 mins and wasnt even coaching, and our players were just walking up and down the court. but that was last year. if there is no discipline (i cant spell today) then there is no respect between players and coaches and if thats not established then there is no reason to expect much. bob knight threw chairs, maybe tubb needs to throw a table or two or a goat or something but just get the motivation back and the rest will come.....
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Post by MyBlueHeaven on Dec 4, 2002 22:53:28 GMT -5
You guys have really baited the trap for me on this one. As I said in an earlier post, I usually just sit back and watch the conversation flow.....in hopes of becoming a little wiser. However, I gotta jump in on this one.
My dislike for the present coach doesn't involve racism, his win/loss record, or even his NCAA Tournament record. My problem with Coach Smith is his coaching(or lack there of).
Firstly, the teams are boring and lack heart. Don't you guys remember players in the past like Farmer, Hardin, Master, Cowan, Hord, Pelphry, and so many others? Was it the team's record that made us stay up late to see the tape-delayed games, even when we knew they lost? No, it was the spirit, the ever-present "refuse to lose" attitudes. They were fun to watch! Are they now?
Do you not think that they are very predictable and easy to scout? I was speaking with Rick Stansbury and Phil Cunningham(Mississippi State coaches) two years ago and they sure thought they were.
Secondly, the teams are not very well conditioned under the present coaching staff......both physically and mentally. How many times do we see our players getting "winded" by a decent man-to-man team. Why do we no longer enable a good full-court-press....because we are not physically in shape to keep it up. A little added info: My brother in law is on staff at UofL and he was privaledged to view one of their practices earlier this season. Guess what, Coach Pitino is suiciding the HELL out of his players.....i.e. ENDURANCE.
Lastly, we have always heard it said that a great coach always surrounds himself with great assistants. Is that the case now? If Coach Smith were to be ejected from a game someday, who do you feel would take the reigns?
*I'm starting to daydream on that one*
Now you've gone and got me started. I'll have to go call my "Tubby Lovin'" brother and argue with him a while.
Thank you for your listening to my mindless babble. Go Cats and Go Tubby....no, I mean really GO Tubby....go somewhere else.
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Post by Administrator on Dec 5, 2002 2:18:46 GMT -5
MyBlueHeaven We didn't mean to bait and trap you (which some call "spamming" ;D) but I'm glad you're letting it fly bro. |
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Post by KY Kid on Dec 5, 2002 18:53:47 GMT -5
Good, that's what makes message boards work. I respectufully disagree with your opinion. First I don't find them boring. To me they are fun to watch. If they weren't fun I wouldn't be interested, considering basketball is a form of entertainment. I also disagree that we lack heart. Sometimes the players are unmotivated, particularly in the past. But Chuck Hayes, Gearld Fitch, Keith Bogans, Cliff Hawkins, Antwain Barbour, and company don't lack heart. They play like warriors. Some guys like Jules, Quis, and Tayshuan Prince are naturally laid back, but that doesn't mean they lack heart. I'm a laid back kind of guy both on and off the court/field and not an enforcer type athlete (although I like to get rough ;D) However, that doesn't mean I lack heart. Having a few 110% awards is evidence of that. So just because all of our players aren't in your face type guys doesn't mean they lack heart. One can be quite and still be a man with heart. Guys like Farmer and Pelphery aren't recruited to UK as often now. Those guys came, becuase they absolutely adored UK, and no one else would come with us in trouble with the NCAA. In fairness to the team, they did change to a new offense when Smith finally realized the other wasn't cutting it. Several of our guys play over 30 minutes a contest. The guys appear to be in very good shape this year. I've read several times where one of the former Cats who played for both Smith and Pitino, I think it was Jeff Sheppard, Scott Padgett, or Cameroon Mills who said Tubby's practices where more difficult than Rick's. We hired a very good up-and-coming young assistant coach this past off-season in Scott Rigot. I wouldn't call it mindless babble. |
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Post by chatycaty on Dec 29, 2002 16:51:39 GMT -5
After watching yesterday's game, it ought to be obvious to everyone who's in shape, and who's not in shape, which team is prepared and executing, and who's not, which coach has a clue how to recognize breakdowns and how to correct them, and which coach is clueless!
We went from a team full of energy that dominated the boards and the game in the first ten minutes, to a team that got it's brains kicked in during the second half of the contest, that almost seemed to quit playing.
Admittedly, shifts in tempo are common in every game, as are shifts in momentum. However, the effective coach is able to make the necessary adjustments to compensate. Yesterday's game revealed which coach had that ability and which did not.
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Post by TedRay80 on Dec 29, 2002 17:51:07 GMT -5
After watching yesterday's game, it ought to be obvious to everyone who's in shape, and who's not in shape, which team is prepared and executing, and who's not, which coach has a clue how to recognize breakdowns and how to correct them, and which coach is clueless! We went from a team full of energy that dominated the boards and the game in the first ten minutes, to a team that got it's brains kicked in during the second half of the contest, that almost seemed to quit playing. Admittedly, shifts in tempo are common in every game, as are shifts in momentum. However, the effective coach is able to make the necessary adjustments to compensate. Yesterday's game revealed which coach had that ability and which did not. Just curious, then, chaty caty. If yesterday's game revealed all of these obvious things to us, what did the Indiana, North Carolina and Gonzaga games reveal?? I didn't see you posting on here after those games to talk about which coach obviously had his team more conditioned, blah blah blah. Once again, a blanket statement based on one game. Invalid. |
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Post by TexasBlue on Dec 29, 2002 19:11:19 GMT -5
I saw where Indiana, Illinois and Oklahoma all lost yesterday. I wonder if they were all out of shape and were outcoached too?
No dought that a loss by these teams is reason for our loss, but it happens to other teams too.
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Post by chatycaty on Dec 30, 2002 11:37:37 GMT -5
All I can say tedray80, sometimes it's hard for some folks to either see or admit the obvious. If you're satisfied with the direction the program's going that's certainly your perogative, and you can go right ahead with your blah, blah, blah blanket defense of this clueless, inarticulate coach and his plodding, plow horse basketball.
However, I believe there are a great number of fans that feel as I do, and are sick and tired of the kind of inconsistent, uninspired, unmotivated play KY has shown not just in this one game as you have maintained, but over a period of the last three or four seasons. If you can't see that, then not only are you ignoring the obvious, you may be going blind sir.
And by the way, I was under the impression this was an open forum and could be utilized by all members, regardless of the timing or opinion. I didn't realize we all had to share the same opinion you hold in order that our posts be considered valid.
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