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Post by Bailey on Apr 1, 2005 21:31:08 GMT -5
After reading all of the post for and against Tubby I have come to a conclusion that would unify probably 98 % of us in support of him. The other 2% nothing will make happy short of getting rid of him. This is my take on the issue.
POSITIVES: He is an asset to the University. A+ Tubby is a very good person. A+ Tubby is a good Father Figure. A Tubby is Sincere. A He has the recruits well being in mind. A+ Tubby knows Defense. A Tubby knows how to draw up a play during a Time Out. A
NEGATIVES: Free Throw Shooting. D (I think this will improve in time) Rebounding. F (Needs to hire a new Coach) Half Court Offense. F (Needs to hire a new Coach) Recruiting. C+ (With the tradition of UK he could do better. Only thing needed is more effort.) Boring Offense. F (Needs to hire a new Coach)
Almost every negative could be over come by hiring one OFFENSIVE MINDED COACH. What it amounts to is Tubby's Offensive mind has become stagnate and needs a new perspective.
Even under todays circumstances Tubby is a top ten coach. No Coach is perfect. The truely great ones have to adapt to the times. Tubby has the ability to be great if he gets alittle help.
See we aren't that far apart. I hope that we all can find common ground and become united as one in time for next seasons run for the National Championship.
Bailey
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Post by TexasBlue on Apr 2, 2005 17:47:19 GMT -5
If you average and combine the positives with the negatives, it makes Tubby out to be a very average coach. Maybe. I think the pressure is on for the next couple of years to win a NC or at least get to FF. I certainly agree with that. Is he up to the challenge, only time will tell. ;D
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Post by TexasBlue on Apr 2, 2005 17:49:48 GMT -5
I also would like to add, I am up to the challenge of following what they do and how far they get.
It could be a great few years to be a Cat fan.
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Post by KY Kid on Apr 2, 2005 18:02:51 GMT -5
I agree Tubby's a good asset to the university. Represents us well, and is well like throughout the nation. A+ I agree Tubby is an awesome person. A+ I also think Tubby is a good father figure. While we did have some issues with guys like Allison, Camara, Fitch, and so on it doesn't change the fact that Tubby has positively affected a lot of young men's lives. A Tubby is certainly sincere. He also has the best in mind for his players. Agreed. I would give Tubby an A+ on defense. Arguably the finest defensive mind in the game. I don't think you could possibly upgrade on defense. I certainly wouldn't give Tubby an F on rebounding. Up until this year we were a great rebounding team. I would give him a B+, it would have been an A prior to this season. I'll also go with an A on drawing plays up on timeouts. I always feel confident we'll score after a timeout. I wish he had those plays predesigned so we could call them without having to have a timeout first. Maybe he does. I don't know. Offensively I would go more along the lines of a C. We've led the SEC in scoring the past 3 seasons and usually are in the top 25 in the nation in scoring margin. Not an outstanding offensive coach, but at least average. In 2003 when we had a college superstar (Bogans), and experience surrounding him, we were a very good offensive team. I could see that happening in the future with stars like Morris, Rondo, Crawford, surrounded with some lesser talented, but smart experienced players. Free throw shooting is a fair assesment. We must improve from the line. I look for Tubby to address that. I really did read somewhere that he called Izzo for some pointers on how to get the guys to shoot better free throws. I would go with more of a B on recruiting. If he lands the class that we're expected to land in 2006 I'd give him an A-. The class of Bogans, Rondo's and maybe 2006 would all be top 2-3 classes in the nation. Plus he's mixed in some fine players such as Prince, Hayes, Azubuike, Hawkins, Fitch, Daniels,Allison, Barbour, and so on along the way. The class with Fitch, Hawkins, Daniels, and company, while not highly rated were all great college players. You don't win the amount of games he has with poor talent. Boring Offense: I find UK basketball exciting, just my opinion.
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Apr 6, 2005 18:09:13 GMT -5
Tubby was a bad FT shooter High Point. Knowing that, I certainly don't want him coming in and taking FT shots. Guys, think about this, did we really have a bad FT shooting team?
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Apr 6, 2005 18:11:59 GMT -5
No, we didn't have a bad FT shooting team. Kaz, Sparks, and Hayes can hit FTs with the best of them. The problem was, Rondo and Morris got to the line often, and they were bad shooters. If the right shooters get to the line, every team will have good %. If Miami Heat only had Shaq at the line, they'd be terrible shooters, even tho Laetner and Wade are terrific FT shooters. Our halfcourt offense wasn't bad either. We just didn't have the right guys taking shots. If you practice better shot selection, you'll have better stats. Tubby said that several times, eventually the players must listen. What else cna Tubby do? He gives them plays in practice, they practice FTs. I certainly don't want him at the FT line shooting for us, and that's unrealistic anyway. Don't think our offense deserves an F. How would you rate a team like Ole Miss that has a much worse offense than us.... Z.
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Post by Exploding Popsicle on Apr 6, 2005 21:11:38 GMT -5
Saying that Tubby is a bad freethrow coach is silly. There is no stratagy involved with steping up to the line and knocking down a shot that a player should practice everyday.
Also, Tubby's teams have never been bad rebounding teams until this team. That should tell you something. Tubby's teams generally know how to rebound. No new coach needed in that area.
As far as the offense. I think Tubby knows what he is doing, he just needs to spend a little more time teaching the guys. When Tubby puts effort into coaching offense the results have been better. I dont know if we need an offensive minded coach on the staff but it probably wouldnt hurt.
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Post by 4uktrey on Apr 7, 2005 6:16:53 GMT -5
Couple of misconceptions in these post. #1 UK was a AVERAGE college FT team no worse or better than 90% of Division I teams. #2 This was the first season under Tubby that a UK team didnt rebound well the first. Sorry but the assessment above looks more like this season, not Tubbys 7 seasons together. Because if it was, UK teams 6 seasons previous were GOOD rebounding teams. To make this assessment you have to include all 7 years and if you do that you'll find that UK was a good rebounding team shot well over 70% of their FTs which is average, and they would average in the upper 70's on offense which in Division I College BB is good. Those teams you see in the 80's are alot of those mid-majors who wont or dont play any D. At least thats how I see it. You have to include Tubbys 8 seasons not just look at this season. And it wouldnt matter to most haters because its a FACT that it runs alot deeper than how many points the team scores or how well they rebound. Much , much deeper. ED
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Post by whah on Apr 8, 2005 7:15:40 GMT -5
one thing that puzzles me still, is when scot rigot was brought in to help with recruiting specially overseas guys. that year, we implemented a maryland style offense. However, I'm not sure Ive seen it run since. My question, is what happened to it? cos it looks like weve gone back to a stagnet offense, of standing around.
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Post by golfnsr on Apr 8, 2005 11:20:03 GMT -5
one thing that puzzles me still, is when scot rigot was brought in to help with recruiting specially overseas guys. that year, we implemented a maryland style offense. However, I'm not sure Ive seen it run since. My question, is what happened to it? cos it looks like weve gone back to a stagnet offense, of standing around. My gosh, another Cat Fan questiioning Tubby's inept offense!!
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Post by 4uktrey on Apr 8, 2005 14:28:59 GMT -5
one thing that puzzles me still, is when scot rigot was brought in to help with recruiting specially overseas guys. that year, we implemented a maryland style offense. However, I'm not sure Ive seen it run since. My question, is what happened to it? cos it looks like weve gone back to a stagnet offense, of standing around. UK didnt have a reliable Center. Tghe Maryland/Tubby offense needs a realiable , good passing Center. Which Morris and Alleyne both showed flashes especially Morris last 10+ games. Morris and all the freshman Would get lost during the game. And that is from Freshmanitis. I really see much better ball movement next season, it seems the biggest strides are made between their Fr. and Soph. years. ED
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Post by golfnsr on Apr 8, 2005 15:07:05 GMT -5
UK didnt have a reliable Center. Tghe Maryland/Tubby offense needs a realiable , good passing Center. Which Morris and Alleyne both showed flashes especially Morris last 10+ games. Morris and all the freshman Would get lost during the game. And that is from Freshmanitis. I really see much better ball movement next season, it seems the biggest strides are made between their Fr. and Soph. years. ED Hope so but our lack of movement hasn't been a 1 year phenomenon .
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Post by Bailey on Apr 8, 2005 18:14:35 GMT -5
KTB I disagree with you on free throw shooting. If the 60%shooters are taking all the free throws you can have 4 guys shooting 100% if they don't get to the line it doesn't do any good. The ones going to the line the most have to do the best job. Bailey
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Post by ChrisR155 on Apr 9, 2005 2:28:59 GMT -5
NEGATIVES: Free Throw Shooting. D (I think this will improve in time) Rebounding. F (Needs to hire a new Coach) Half Court Offense. F (Needs to hire a new Coach) Recruiting. C+ (With the tradition of UK he could do better. Only thing needed is more effort.) Boring Offense. F (Needs to hire a new Coach) ok--lets look at this grading scale....to rate something a D or an F requires this to be in pretty bad shape. That's a pretty rough assessment on all these areas. Free throw shooting---wasn't great, hasn't ever been great for Tubby teams...not sure why...but a D is a pretty tough assessment. Will get better with more experience from a young team. I'd give it more of the range of B or maybe C. It's definetly better than barely passing. Rebounding--F?? Like someone else said, his teams normally are very good rebounding teams. Tubby even said this year that this may be his worst rebounding team he's coached. That's gotta be pretty bad. F, I don't agree---but to say that another coach should be hired is rediculous when Tubby has a young team and never really a for sure dominant center all year had a sub-par year rebounding, and he is a coach that normally has teams rebounding well. Half-Court offense....F?? Apparently scoring in the average of 70's is failing? Blah blah blah about Tubby's ineffective offense, etc....I don't buy it. It's getting old. Recruiting--C+. He just brought in the top class in the nation, and is on the list of several top players in the strong 06 class. Billy Donovan even called him brilliant and ahead of his time in recruiting. I'll leave that one to the ones who know more than any of us do. Boring offense--F. Another Failing grade given....all based on personal preference about the style of play...just a different system. Says nothing about how good of a coach he is--just how he isn't running it to your personal level of excitement. Not really a worthy category of grading his coaching ability.
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Post by TexasBlue on Apr 9, 2005 6:38:43 GMT -5
I do not believe for one second that an "F" in ANY category, based on the success this team has experianced over the last seven years is warranted at all. An "F" in offense after an elite eight season, top five in national ranking, glad my son or daughter is not going to that school. They would have a heck of a time passing.
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