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Post by thuss006 on Aug 8, 2005 17:07:07 GMT -5
I guess you never heard what Muggsy Bouges said about the death threats he received from the Cameron Crazies. There's a reason he had to have cops escort him to the court. Isolated incidents aside, the student section is one of the main draws for recruits going to Duke. Who wouldn't want to have all their home games at Cameron with the most rowdy crowd around? You guys still don't have any real points besides some isolated incidents from one or two 'drunk guys' in student sections. I know for fact that age has nothing to do with drunk guys yelling. I have heard MORE older men yelling inappropriate things at refs and the other team than students, and that is a fact. Bluecat, the difference in our opinions right now, is that I am thinking of what would be better for everyone as a whole. Having the students up close would liven up the games. It would create an atmosphere. You say they don't deserve close seats, and I say it doesn't matter who deserves it. We should do what helps recruiting, and makes the experience more enjoyable as a whole. Putting aristacratic people who don't come to half the games because they are vacationing in Bali doesn't make sense. Everyone here supports the new practice facility to draw in recruits, but no one wants to move back 5 rows for the same purpose? Alright. . . If only they could stop shouting profanities and pay attention to the game. . .
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Aug 8, 2005 17:09:56 GMT -5
Like I said, you never read the thing about Muggsy Bogues, and the "classy" death threats.
And, I assume the "Walsh is gay" chants aren't isolated.
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Post by BlueCat on Aug 8, 2005 19:51:59 GMT -5
I don't believe moving back 5 rows has anything to do with recruiting. Rupp can be a rocking place, and it's not all the students. #4, I can't believe that you think that you have more right to a good seat than I do, just because you are young. I've said enough already so I'll just exit this discussion with this parting shot. If I ever get a seat down low I just hope it's next to Ashley.
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Post by thuss006 on Aug 9, 2005 14:26:24 GMT -5
BlueCat, I don't think I have more right to it. I think it is better for the program. Sure, you can find older people that are very enthusiastic, and you can find younger people that are bored, but both are more of an exception. Just think of the chant C-A-T-S where each side says a letter. C A t s. No doubt C and A are the loudest EVERY GAME. Is it a coincidence that all the students sit on those two sides?
And yes, I do think the students deserve the lower seats for 4 years while they are in school. After that it is over, we will have to apply for tickets just like everyone else.
KT, once again, you are missing the point. Those are isolated incidents. Did Mugsey Bogues really think spoiled rich kids were going to kill him? If he did, he is more naive than even you are. 'Walsh is gay' was also one and done, and the adults were joining in. . .
Student sections are by no means a problem. Do any of you really think the atmosphere was hindered by putting the eRUPPtion zone in? Was it helped? I think so.
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Post by thuss006 on Aug 9, 2005 14:35:55 GMT -5
I don't believe moving back 5 rows has anything to do with recruiting. Rupp can be a rocking place, and it's not all the students. I never said it is all the students, but no one here can say that the student sections (specifically the eRUPPtion zone) aren't the loudest sections in the arena (especially louder than the people in the lower arena who would be moved back. Some of the people up high are pretty roudy, but they wouldn't be effected at all by something like this happening). You may have the right to sit down low, but is that what is best for the school and the basketball program? As for the atmosphere not helping recruiting, one of the main draws to Duke is Cameron. If they students weren't there, it would be. . . a pretty cool place, but by no means #1. The students make Cameron, and the students COULD make RUPP if not for people being (no offense) selfish. I just don't see how there is any argument than the student sections add enthusiasm and atmosphere, unless you are very prudish and bring up a random Mugsey Bogues death threat from 59 years ago.
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Aug 9, 2005 15:17:44 GMT -5
Like I said, you haven't heard anything death threats by your classy Cameron Crazies. If you think calling someone is gay is equal to death threats you're the one that's really naive. If Muggsy didn't think the threats were true, he wouldn't have been escorted to the court by policeman.
Explain to how making death threats is classy. Better yet, don't explain it, because you really don't make any sense as far as this is concerned.
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Post by BlueCat on Aug 9, 2005 15:57:00 GMT -5
Ok I give up! #4 you can have my seat. Keep in mind now that Ashley can no longer sit in the student section. She has to sit with me TB, and golf.
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Post by thuss006 on Aug 9, 2005 17:51:27 GMT -5
KT, Death threats aren't classy. That was a small group of people, and it was over 10 years ago. Isolated events are going to happen when you get a bunch of people together. You just deal with it and roll with the punches. As for them being the same, yeah, I think they are the same in that they are isolated events that are far from the norm where a group of people (whether it be small or big) rooting for a team, did something classless and inappropriate. You will definitely find more incidents from fans in the NBA (Detroit?), MLB, and NFL, than you will from college students in their student sections. The Muggsey Bogues incident is too old to count now. UK's student section is not known for problems, and neither is Dukes. The only thing in debate is whether or not the reward in letting students sit down low is worth moving up 3 rows (which is probably about what it would be for most people). Maybe it isn't worth it, but it is not because students are being classless, its because of money from boosters. Just admit that I am right about everything in life. BC, I'll get extra eRUPPtion zone tickets, and get some extra student ID's and sneak you all into the student section.
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Post by BlueCat on Aug 9, 2005 18:55:32 GMT -5
Finally we reach an agreement that I can live with. Just make sure Ashley gets one of those tickets. TB, she's sitting beside me, you and golf will have to fight, bullride, or have a 9 hole playoff to see who gets the other seat beside her.
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Post by 7andcounting on Aug 9, 2005 19:18:41 GMT -5
and while Golf and TB are fighting i will just come in and take the seat
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Aug 9, 2005 22:59:05 GMT -5
Like BC said, I give up. Those Cameron Crazies, who mudsling death threats, are the classiest fans in America.
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Post by chewy on Aug 10, 2005 0:04:10 GMT -5
and while Golf and TB are fighting i will just come in and take the seat 7, you can take one and I'll take the other...and we can switch seats at halftime so we can both sit next to ashley, I'll take the second half(in case they go into OT, I get a little more time )
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Post by thuss006 on Aug 10, 2005 13:31:36 GMT -5
So KT, racism isn't ok, but judging the entire Duke student section from what one small group of kids did over 10 years ago is OK? How is that worse than hating all African Americans because one committed a murder? Answer: Its not. Checkmate. Name an incident since then. You can't? Thats what I thought.
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Aug 10, 2005 13:34:08 GMT -5
Like BC said, I give up. Those Cameron Crazies, who mudsling death threats, are the classiest fans in America.
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Post by thuss006 on Aug 10, 2005 14:02:02 GMT -5
I would give up if I were proven wrong too. Probably not in such a sarcastic way, but I would give up.
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