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Post by BlueCat on Jan 6, 2006 14:41:45 GMT -5
Nope, you are both wrong. Kentucky has not, is not, and will not be the laughing stock of basketball.
Bailey, Do you really think the three polls here are indicative of how most Kentucky fans feel? I can give you a link to another message board that you post this poll on and you'll get far different results.
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Post by 4UKtrey on Jan 6, 2006 16:26:26 GMT -5
Ed I resent you accusation that all Tubby haters are Rednecks and Racist. I for one don't fit either of those accusations. Name calling is a cheap way to retaliate against someone that doesn't have the same opinion that you have. The last I saw UNC won the National Championship last year and kicked our butts with freshmen on our home floor this year. They seem to be doing much better than us. As far as a minority of loud rednecks causing the university to be the laughing stock of basketball take a look at the 3 poll results in the Hot Tub. You will see that you are in the minority. Do you think that just maybe our inability to: Make the Final Four Losing on our home court to UNC freshmen Getting blown out by IU Beating UCF by 2 points with 1.5 seconds left in the game on our home floor. The same team UF beat by 33 Going down to the wire to beat a MAC team that dominated us Possibly these reasons are why UK might be the laughing stock of basketball. Bailey Then you don't get around much I have lived in 5 different states and other than the state of KY I have had to defend where I am from. Whether you believe it or not KY is included with the South and people from the East and West coast, and the Mid-West, and North consider KY and the South as racist and rednecks. Even most around here in South-central IL where a lot of people come from Arkansas considered Kentuckians as rednecks(I remind them that the Beverly Hillbillies were from Arkansas). That is from my travels, now go on any message board NOT UK and mention how the UK fans want to get rid of Tubby and they would tell you how ignorant that is and that they would gladly take him. And KJ the 2% reference was to the powerhouses(dUKe, UNC,UConn,MSU) have already got great coaches. BUT if you ask them if their coach leaves would you want Tubby I'll bet they would say YES!!!!
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Post by CardHater on Jan 6, 2006 16:30:20 GMT -5
Join Rivals Bailey. Not only will the anti-Tubby rants get shot down like they do here, but thay will be shot down by a far greater nbumber of UK fans and a far greater percentage of the fans.
He is not the perfest coach, but no one is. I for one feel we are lucky to have and to want more is really unrealistic and ridiculous. That is not to say we ahven't had better, but he is definitely as good a coach or better than Hall and Sutton, as good or only slightly less than Pitino, and Rupp well he may be the greatest of all time. You wouldn't tosso your wife out if she cooked yu dinner every night, but didn't have exactly what you wanted so you shouldn't bitch and moan about a man who has done an exceptional job even though it may not be exactly what you wanted.
By the way read KT's post and you will in fact see that our program is as good as ever and maybe better.
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Post by Bailey on Jan 6, 2006 18:03:54 GMT -5
CH Could you be confusing good coaching with being a good person. I agree Tubby is a good person but he has not been a contender for a National Championship since he inherited Ricks boys. Bailey
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Post by kj on Jan 6, 2006 19:39:06 GMT -5
Ed I resent you accusation that all Tubby haters are Rednecks and Racist. I for one don't fit either of those accusations. Name calling is a cheap way to retaliate against someone that doesn't have the same opinion that you have. The last I saw UNC won the National Championship last year and kicked our butts with freshmen on our home floor this year. They seem to be doing much better than us. As far as a minority of loud rednecks causing the university to be the laughing stock of basketball take a look at the 3 poll results in the Hot Tub. You will see that you are in the minority. Do you think that just maybe our inability to: Make the Final Four Losing on our home court to UNC freshmen Getting blown out by IU Beating UCF by 2 points with 1.5 seconds left in the game on our home floor. The same team UF beat by 33 Going down to the wire to beat a MAC team that dominated us Possibly these reasons are why UK might be the laughing stock of basketball. Bailey Then you don't get around much I have lived in 5 different states and other than the state of KY I have had to defend where I am from. Whether you believe it or not KY is included with the South and people from the East and West coast, and the Mid-West, and North consider KY and the South as racist and rednecks. Even most around here in South-central IL where a lot of people come from Arkansas considered Kentuckians as rednecks(I remind them that the Beverly Hillbillies were from Arkansas). That is from my travels, now go on any message board NOT UK and mention how the UK fans want to get rid of Tubby and they would tell you how ignorant that is and that they would gladly take him. And KJ the 2% reference was to the powerhouses(dUKe, UNC,UConn,MSU) have already got great coaches. BUT if you ask them if their coach leaves would you want Tubby I'll bet they would say YES!!!! You wonder why the fans of that 2% you speak of are so high on Tubby. Look on this board, ain't hard to figure when a Duke fan says he loves Tubby and then in the next breathe says he is a good coach who is never going to quite do as well as the UK fans think he will. They love Tubby cause they know with what they have coaching they will stay a step above UK as long as we keep Tubby.
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Post by Fox on Jan 6, 2006 20:38:15 GMT -5
I agree with this KJ. Exactly how I see it too. Have some praise!
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Post by golfnsr on Jan 6, 2006 23:45:43 GMT -5
Bailey, Count me in on the praise also. - but then we are only a minority in not thinking Tubby is the right coach for Kentucky. Fox, I'll get you some praise in another hour!!
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Post by golfnsr on Jan 6, 2006 23:51:17 GMT -5
Ed I resent you accusation that all Tubby haters are Rednecks and Racist. I for one don't fit either of those accusations. Name calling is a cheap way to retaliate against someone that doesn't have the same opinion that you have. The last I saw UNC won the National Championship last year and kicked our butts with freshmen on our home floor this year. They seem to be doing much better than us. As far as a minority of loud rednecks causing the university to be the laughing stock of basketball take a look at the 3 poll results in the Hot Tub. You will see that you are in the minority. Do you think that just maybe our inability to: Make the Final Four Losing on our home court to UNC freshmen Getting blown out by IU Beating UCF by 2 points with 1.5 seconds left in the game on our home floor. The same team UF beat by 33 Going down to the wire to beat a MAC team that dominated us Possibly these reasons are why UK might be the laughing stock of basketball. Bailey Then you don't get around much I have lived in 5 different states and other than the state of KY I have had to defend where I am from. Whether you believe it or not KY is included with the South and people from the East and West coast, and the Mid-West, and North consider KY and the South as racist and rednecks. Even most around here in South-central IL where a lot of people come from Arkansas considered Kentuckians as rednecks(I remind them that the Beverly Hillbillies were from Arkansas). That is from my travels, now go on any message board NOT UK and mention how the UK fans want to get rid of Tubby and they would tell you how ignorant that is and that they would gladly take him. And KJ the 2% reference was to the powerhouses(dUKe, UNC,UConn,MSU) have already got great coaches. BUT if you ask them if their coach leaves would you want Tubby I'll bet they would say YES!!!! ED, have you completed a real scientific study on the beliefs in the North, East, Mid-West and West populations regarding Kentuckians being redneck (Oh, I forgot Arkansas also) - that is really covering allot of territory. Also, IMO, I believe the Kentucky Fans that do not see how Tubby is taking our Program downhill are the ones ignorant of where our Program realistically stands versus where they perceive it stands. BTW, you seem to talk more about the race thing than any other poster.
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Post by MyBlueHeaven on Jan 7, 2006 8:13:24 GMT -5
And there you go folks, a little precurser of what it's going to be like once Coach Smith leaves. Whether he chooses to coach somewhere else, go NBA, or just plain retire years from now; PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CRY RACIAL FOUL!
Hey, a little advice......take that racial trash somewhere else!
Golf, I definately see your point about racial issues being brought up by a very select few.
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Post by BlueCat on Jan 7, 2006 8:36:54 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that a large section of the population of our country believes that Kentuckians by and large are racist.
The movie Glory Road is just one example of that thinking.
Kentuckians are stereotyped you all know that. Nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious, and it's true that if Tubby were to leave today for any reason much of the nation and media would point at the Kentucky fan base and say that we ran him off because of the color of his skin.
Nothing wrong with discussing racial matters at all so long as we aren't being racist in the process. It needs to addressed, and it needs to be dispelled. It won't go away by pretending it's not true.
I'll be honest with you and say that I do think there are some "fans" that want to get rid of Tubby because they don't want to see a black man succeed. For the most part I believe that those that don't want Tubby simply don't like his style and it has nothing to do with color, but I'm not naive enough to think that the racism isn't there as well.
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Post by kj on Jan 7, 2006 8:42:47 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that a large section of the population of our country believes that Kentuckians by and large are racist. The movie Glory Road is just one example of that thinking. Kentuckians are stereotyped you all know that. Nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious, and it's true that if Tubby were to leave today for any reason much of the nation and media would point at the Kentucky fan base and say that we ran him off because of the color of his skin. Nothing wrong with discussing racial matters at all so long as we aren't being racist in the process. It needs to addressed, and it needs to be dispelled. It won't go away by pretending it's not true. I'll be honest with you and say that I do think there are some "fans" that want to get rid of Tubby because they don't want to see a black man succeed. For the most part I believe that those that don't want Tubby simply don't like his style and it has nothing to do with color, but I'm not naive enough to think that the racism isn't there as well. Do you think there is any of the reverse racial bias out there, BlueCat? Personally I would say it works both ways.
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Post by BlueCat on Jan 7, 2006 9:15:22 GMT -5
Is the University of Kentucky worried that a Hollywood movie will cast the university and its basketball team as the bad guys? And even as critics are urging more campus diversity, what impact will "Glory Road" have on UK's image? Of UK's 26,682 students, only 1,313 — less than 5 percent — are black. And about 3.5 percent of the 1,920 members of the faculty and teaching staff is African American. Those numbers concern Nikky Finney, a poet and tenured English professor. She and 40 other faculty have urged President Lee Todd to step up efforts to recruit black students and teachers. "We believe that any university that wants to reach top 20 status must not leave behind diversity — in all areas." UK PondersRacism and the perception of it at UK is there. Most of us may not like it, but it's there.
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Post by BlueCat on Jan 7, 2006 9:20:10 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that a large section of the population of our country believes that Kentuckians by and large are racist. The movie Glory Road is just one example of that thinking. Kentuckians are stereotyped you all know that. Nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious, and it's true that if Tubby were to leave today for any reason much of the nation and media would point at the Kentucky fan base and say that we ran him off because of the color of his skin. Nothing wrong with discussing racial matters at all so long as we aren't being racist in the process. It needs to addressed, and it needs to be dispelled. It won't go away by pretending it's not true. I'll be honest with you and say that I do think there are some "fans" that want to get rid of Tubby because they don't want to see a black man succeed. For the most part I believe that those that don't want Tubby simply don't like his style and it has nothing to do with color, but I'm not naive enough to think that the racism isn't there as well. Do you think there is any of the reverse racial bias out there, BlueCat? Personally I would say it works both ways. Absolutely I do. White America didn't invent racism. It's been with us from the beinning of time and it's not likely to go away. I think a lot of our laws are wrong because they favor one minority or another. I'm totally against quotas of any form or fashion. It is my belief that these minority laws the exclude anyone only serve to perpetuate feelings that are already there. All men are created equal and should be treated as such. That isn't going to happen so I guess our leaders at all levels have to do what they think is the most fair thing to do. I believe that if the black, hispanic, asian, or white man happens to be the most qualified he should get the job and the color of his skin should never come in to play. Maybe job interviews should be held on message boards so no one would know what race or gender the applicant is.
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Post by kj on Jan 7, 2006 9:59:48 GMT -5
Do you think there is any of the reverse racial bias out there, BlueCat? Personally I would say it works both ways. Absolutely I do. White America didn't invent racism. It's been with us from the beinning of time and it's not likely to go away. I think a lot of our laws are wrong because they favor one minority or another. I'm totally against quotas of any form or fashion. It is my belief that these minority laws the exclude anyone only serve to perpetuate feelings that are already there. All men are created equal and should be treated as such. That isn't going to happen so I guess our leaders at all levels have to do what they think is the most fair thing to do. I believe that if the black, hispanic, asian, or white man happens to be the most qualified he should get the job and the color of his skin should never come in to play. Maybe job interviews should be held on message boards so no one would know what race or gender the applicant is. AMEN. BROTHER!!!!I'm with you 100%. If any response deserves some praise, this is it!
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Post by golfnsr on Jan 7, 2006 10:03:27 GMT -5
^I personally do not think that race enters into most of the dislike for Tubby as our coach.
The dissatisfaction comes from the fact that Tubby is just an above average coach that gets better results by just being at Kentucky.
Also, he is respected by many analyst more because he is a nice guy than because of his coaching abilities.
The Kentucky Program deserves a great coach with some excitement and we DO NOT HAVE THAT IN Tubby.
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