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Post by KevinKat78 on Mar 8, 2004 13:49:48 GMT -5
Hey KT, very intelligent and well put. I agree completely, except, I am a Bush supporter, but I like how you can express you opinion without being real derogator about our president. This type of post spurs interest and conversation from most people no matter who they are for. Wouldn't it be neat if the republican controled Press would be that way!! They are so derogatary when talking about the Liberals, You know the party that works hard to preserve our freedoms!!
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Post by kyblueintenn on Mar 8, 2004 16:37:17 GMT -5
The news media is in no way republic led or controlled, its as liberal as it gets ! Freedoms nothing, they are the ones promoting things like abortion, homosexual marriage, gun bans, their is even now a proposal to make it mandatory that schools teach Homosexuality as an acceptable life style to school age kids, BEGINNING in Grade school, I know this for a fact as I have saw many of the proposals that started last year. What freedom, your child goes to school, and is told they HAVE TO LEARN THAT HOMOSEXUALS ARE acceptable lifestyle.What Freedom huh? Thats another reason our family started homeschooling ! I do not hate a homosexual, dont get me wrong here, but their life style is wrong according to GODS word, and should be changed, and it is my hope and desire for them to do so, but if they choose not to, that is their choice, but my child should not be made to sit through a Liberal class that teaches it as acceptable, when God says it isnt ! Freedoms are ok, but some are not, thats why their are laws ! I do not have the Freedom to rob a bank, or to kill some-one. Yet spiratually that is the very thing liberal left is trying to do, kill christian right wing beleifs, and I for one am sick of it !!!!! I may be a christian, but I have MY RIGHTS TO !! I should be able to watch a TV show without all of a sudden seeing a half-naked woman prance around all of a sudden with my 8 and 10 year old sitting there (REGULAR TV!!!) The republicans have been trying to stop much of that, but again, you have the left wing movie hollywood people stopping it !!! Beleive me, I can go on and on and on to !!!!!!!
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Post by ChrisR155 on Mar 8, 2004 16:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by KY Kid on Mar 8, 2004 19:27:02 GMT -5
Exactly! Just because you disagree with homesexuality doesn't mean you hate homosexuals. I work with a girl who's a lesbian. I love her to death and would be heartbroken if something happened to her. However, in no way do I condone her lifestyle. I think it is wrong and a sin. If I had kids, I would not want school teachers to teach them to "appreciate" homosexuality. Just wanted to say, just because people such as myself find homosexuality wrong and a sin, does not in no way mean we want them all to die or hate them. I'll end my run-on sentence now.
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Post by kyblueintenn on Mar 8, 2004 22:09:46 GMT -5
Exactly! Just because you disagree with homesexuality doesn't mean you hate homosexuals. I work with a girl who's a lesbian. I love her to death and would be heartbroken if something happened to her. However, in no way do I condone her lifestyle. I think it is wrong and a sin. If I had kids, I would not want school teachers to teach them to "appreciate" homosexuality. Just wanted to say, just because people such as myself find homosexuality wrong and a sin, does not in no way mean we want them all to die or hate them. I'll end my run-on sentence now. I agree completely Kidd, the bible teaches of a literal fire burning hell, one that I beleive in strongly, and it teaches that it is the place of the lost and unjust, and I want no one to ever suffer that fate, and I would do anything within my earthly power to try to convince them to accept Christ as their Savior before it was to late. A person is a person, red ,white ,black, blue, lost, or saved, rich or poor, and I love all people and think I am better than none, and no one else should ever either. Leading people to Christ is and should be the MAIN objective of every Christian, no matter or who they are. In the Eyes of Christ, we are all the same !
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Mar 11, 2004 10:20:23 GMT -5
I got into an argument with this gay marriage then again today. A friend said why do I think gay marriage is wrong. I told her that the Bible makes it wrong. The Bible is my authority, and it's speaks out about how marriage is between a man and a woman. So, my friend says we shouldn't use the Bible as our reason for why gays can't get married, because not everyone is a Christian, and therefore not everybody is obedient to the what the Bible instructs. This was a huge blow-up, and it caused a lot of dispute. My friend brought up a valid point.
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Post by kyblueintenn on Mar 11, 2004 15:27:33 GMT -5
Not everyone is a Kentucky fan either, but it dos'nt make it wrong for those of us that like and beleive in them to support what we beleive in. Your friend has his/her choices, and must stand before God one day, and give an account for his/her own decisions in life that they make personally, but a christian must as well, and according to the word of God, it is wrong in his eyes and we are to be judged by his words, not mans ! Mans points seem valid only in an earthly argument, Gods word is eternal, and mean Eternal consequences, there are and will be no Valid arguments before God, no Earthly excuse will stand before God, that is his word, not mine ! Let him argue the point before God, if he thinks it will stand. Not being mean, only stating biblical truths, it's their choice, and all you can do is give them what Gods word says, from their, its up to them to take their Earthly argument before God one day .
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Mar 11, 2004 16:33:13 GMT -5
Thanks kbit. I now have something to say to her. BTW, she's not a lesbian. It's just that her best friend happens to be gay, and she was trying to back him up.
Thanks for giving me something to say, kbit. I'm glad you got my back. I gotta return the favor somehow.
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Post by kyblueintenn on Mar 11, 2004 18:43:23 GMT -5
Your a friend, thats enough for me ! Kentubby, the key in speaking with someone on this matter, or that I have found it to show them that first of all, you do not hate a homosexual, which I do not, but that you care for them, and only wish for their eternal well being. I use this illistration, if my child was going toward the road and not looking, and a truck was coming, I would run and yell my head off trying to stop him from losing his life, nothing would be more painful than for me to see my son struck and to lose his life, so is how Christ feels toward his children, losing their Eternal life, and so should we as Christians also be pointing out, its not a hate for them, only that the bible and Gods word is very specific and plain on this matter, and without a lifechange, their eternal life is indeed in Jeopardy, and thats why we care so much. So many times we as christians are portrayed as haters, and its partly our fault for never taking the time to explain ourselves, and show, its not hatred, its love and a deep caring instead is the goal behind our purpose . You are more than welcome as well my friend , you will be in my prayers
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Mar 11, 2004 23:01:46 GMT -5
Hey KT, very intelligent and well put. I agree completely, except, I am a Bush supporter, but I like how you can express you opinion without being real derogator about our president. This type of post spurs interest and conversation from most people no matter who they are for. Thanks TB. I just realized today that you had posted this. Otherwise, I would have posted a thank you earlier. I hate to get real specific about my political stances, because it can cause a lot of drama. And, as you guys know, I don't like to argue(unless you're downing Tubby). kbit, thanks, bro. You are exactly right. When I try to convince a person to stop doing something that's sinful, they always think that I am condenming them(whether it's homosexuality, gambling, etc.) I just want people to know, that I'm not condemning them. God doesn't give me the authority to condemn anyone. That's His job on the judgement day. However, he does give me the authority to use his Holy Word to convince someone to abstain from doing something that's bad.
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Post by Tummygoat on Apr 3, 2004 14:39:47 GMT -5
Nice to see Bush standing up for what he believes in. This is a country, "under God" and should be treated as such, but man I tell you what, it's almost not right to make an amendment such as this, but then turn around and take the "under God" out of the pledge of Allegiance. Almost an oxymoron.
In any case, this amendment is dangerous because it does infringe on the rights of people. I think the institution of marriage should remain sacred, but the government should not condone homosexual relationships and figure out ways to influence states to allow civil unions and provide equal protection under law. IMO this is the only way to get this done. It protects the sanctity of marriage, but also allows partners to share the same benefits as married couples.
Civil Unions and marriages are basically the same idea with one major differences, marriages are recognized by God and the government, whereas civil unions are just benefits. Either way, this may become an abortion-like issue because most democrats will not allow a constitutional amendment and there could be a lot of suing going on.
I applaud Bush for sticking up for marriage and our God.
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Apr 4, 2004 22:36:13 GMT -5
Nice to see Bush standing up for what he believes in. This is a country, "under God" and should be treated as such, but man I tell you what, it's almost not right to make an amendment such as this, but then turn around and take the "under God" out of the pledge of Allegiance. Almost an oxymoron. Great point, TG. I never thought about that.
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Post by 4uktrey on Apr 23, 2004 9:52:19 GMT -5
To start I am a Bush supporter. Now for the topic at hand. My wife is on the other side of this issue. But my feeling is that if Same Sex Marriages isnt banned, My marriage to my wife MEANS NOTHING. I dont care what sexual preference a person is and a person has the right of individuality. But if SSM isnt banned Marriage would become a MOCKERY. JMO. ED Another thought is what would happen in divorce courts which are pretty much overloaded as it is. It would get a 100 times worse. I know homosexuals in Louisville, Cincinnati, and here in Salem, IL. It seems to me from my observation is they tend to change partners like some change their underwear.
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Post by BlueCat on Apr 23, 2004 17:00:25 GMT -5
Do or say what you will about my post. I know by the wording of our forefathers that this great nation of ours was founded on his (God's) word by christian men, and was founded on the basis of spiritual freedom from the Church of England, not from chrisitanity. The bible says the following about marriage, and homosexuality.
Marriage:
Homosexuality:
I'll say nothing more on the topic. I have shared with you my belief, and what God's word says. Either accept him or reject him it's up to you. I say this with all love for every man an woman no matter the state of their heart.
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Post by secfever on Apr 27, 2004 2:26:18 GMT -5
Nice to see Bush standing up for what he believes in. This is a country, "under God" and should be treated as such, but man I tell you what, it's almost not right to make an amendment such as this, but then turn around and take the "under God" out of the pledge of Allegiance. Almost an oxymoron. My thoughts exactly! I just do not understand how the secularist minority has managed to over run the US with such an agenda. There is an ever growing Secularist Viewpoint that is starting to grip this nation and personally, it is scary. Many people think that the Constitution is a living, ever changing document. Many people think that if the Founding Fathers were alive today that they too would have different opinions. This is only one man's opinion; however, after reading some of the utter, for a lack of a better term, chaotic dissertations that are out there, I really wonder where the moral compass of this great nation is pointed. One of, if not the key, ideals that this country was founded upon is the Separation of Church and State. Over 230 years ago, this was brought about to prevent Americans from being forced to attend or pay tribute (tithes or taxes) to the Clergy of the Church of England. In other words, our Founding Fathers were setting this country up with the premise that a church would not control the masses; ie: Separation of Denomination and State. The Founding Fathers of this country were religious men. In fact, the vast majority of the people who first settled in this country, did so as a means to escape not only a tyrannical government, but a controlling Church Institution as well. In today's views, thanks to a secularist bias, people want to distort the Ideals of our Founding Fathers to fit their own patterns of belief. Sadly, the modern meaning of the phrase is "Separation of Christianity and State". It argues that Christian political views should be kept private. Our nation should not be a nation "under God," according to this viewpoint, but under the guidance of autonomous Secular Humanist ideals. That's the real goal. In the name of that doctrine, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1980 that public schools cannot even post a copy of the Ten Commandments on a classroom wall. If you can prove that a single signer of the Constitution believed in this kind of "separation," I want to see it. (hint: it does not exist). The modern doctrine of "Separation of Church and State" is a myth. An evil, destructive lie. To be on the side of this doctrine is to be on the side of the destruction of our nation. OK, getting down off of the soap box now
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