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Post by 7andcounting on May 19, 2005 19:41:50 GMT -5
2 TIMES I RECALL THAT HAPPENED AT CRUCIAL MOMETNS
1 , FINAL PLAY VS UF KAZ CHCUKS 3 MISS
2. 1ST OT VS MSU DONT EVEN GET A SHOT OFF
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Post by banjo on May 19, 2005 20:02:18 GMT -5
You know I don't really know if it's not enough work in pratice of shooting or their confidence. I remember in 98 Padgett standing at the head of the 3pt. line and it was like he was thinking am I supposed to shoot or not and this happed a lot through the season in 98 but when tournament time came him and Sheperd just seemed to change their outlook.
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Post by golfnsr on May 19, 2005 20:37:38 GMT -5
You know I don't really know if it's not enough work in practice of shooting or their confidence. I remember in 98 Padgett standing at the head of the 3pt. line and it was like he was thinking am I supposed to shoot or not and this happed a lot through the season in 98 but when tournament time came him and Sheperd just seemed to change their outlook. banjo, you are very perceptive about confidence and it has always been my feeling that players that come to Kentucky as good offensive talents turn very hesitant in Tubby's "offense" and this ends up affecting some throughout their time with the Cats while some get over it and just play through it. Most Freshman and many Sophs underachieve for their natural offensive talents on offense during their first 2 years at Kentucky. This is usually explained that "they have to learn Tubby's System on offense" but I really wonder whether there is a System that is in place - good ball movement, proper spacing, shots set up in good spots for certain players, less free lancing and a real system which even leads to better rebounding by having players generally know when the shots are going up so they can block off and move to the boards, etc. Of course Tubby's defense is tough and the players definitely learn great fundamentals and understand them or don't play. It is time for Tubby Ball to become more complete with an affective half court offense that not so much scores many more points but is less free lancing and more of a true, free flowing system that has all of the players on the same page. Of course, with a little more up tempo running and pressing and less slowdown, the half court offense will be needed less but still be more effective in that the quicker temp will take it's toll on the less talented and less deep teams. A good effective offense will even assist in our recruiting effeorts by being attractive to the better recruits.
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Post by BlueCat on May 20, 2005 4:36:03 GMT -5
It is time for Tubby Ball to become more complete with an affective half court offense that not so much scores many more points but is less free lancing and more of a true, free flowing system that has all of the players on the same page. Of course, with a little more up tempo running and pressing and less slowdown, the half court offense will be needed less but still be more effective in that the quicker temp will take it's toll on the less talented and less deep teams. A good effective offense will even assist in our recruiting effeorts by being attractive to the better recruits. Well as a staunch defender of Tubby even I will agree with your assertion here golf. I'd love to see Tubby D mixed with a more effective offensive scheme.
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Post by 4uktrey on May 20, 2005 6:20:19 GMT -5
Pitino use to drive me insane with all the easy baskets his teams would let happen. It doesnt happen very often with a Tubby coached team. I always been a Defense first person also... just like my H.S. playing days. But I think Tubby needs to bring someone in to help out. But all this is MOOT if a player wont play "In Your Shorts" Defense(which takes a worker mentality and alot of HEART) because you wont see much playing time on a Tubby team. I being a guy from a Blue-collar family AGREES!!!ED
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Post by banjo on May 20, 2005 9:13:48 GMT -5
I agree that tibby's team's play great defense in the paint but we give up way to many open 3, which i think is attributed to the ball line defense. Which I feel like is designed to not give up no shots in the paint.
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Post by 4uktrey on May 20, 2005 12:37:16 GMT -5
I agree that tibby's team's play great defense in the paint but we give up way to many open 3, which i think is attributed to the ball line defense. Which I feel like is designed to not give up no shots in the paint. The defense of the 3pt shot has gotten better 3 seasons in a row I mean the opponants were averaging under 35% its hard to argue against that NICE stat. ED
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Post by kentubbybasketball on May 20, 2005 13:21:01 GMT -5
I'm content with the way things are going. If we make one more FT in regulation, we have a final four team, simple as that. And, don't tell me Tubby doesn't work on FTs, he says he does it every day in practice.
It would be nice to have a mix of Tubby's defense and Pitino's offense all rolled into one coach.
golf, I'm sure Tubby has heard all those things you been shelling out for years about offense. Wouldn't you think he would know about an effective offense. How could he not, he's coached with Pitino before. It seems like he's content with his offense.
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Post by goten170 on May 20, 2005 13:21:02 GMT -5
i think Tubby has had more than enough time to prove himself!!! i stick by what i said when Tubby was hired. he's a great coach for georgia, but in no way is he a uk caliber coach. take u of l, pitino is back on the high horse after 4 years, and a great recruiting class coming in. i give Tubby 2 more years before i start watching a much more fun style of basketball... pitino ball!
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Post by kentubbybasketball on May 20, 2005 13:22:57 GMT -5
goten170, other than a double overtime period, what was the difference in Kentucky and Louisville's seasons this year? UofL could have lost in overtime to WVa, would that have made Pitino any less of a coach? I doubt it!!
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Post by katman on May 20, 2005 13:25:51 GMT -5
goten170, other than a double overtime period, what was the difference in Kentucky and Louisville's seasons this year? UofL could have lost in overtime to WVa, would that have made Pitino any less of a coach? I doubt it!! This may be a bit off topic, but if Pitino were on fire I would only toss him some bottle rockets, maybe some M-80s.
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Post by kentubbybasketball on May 20, 2005 13:59:08 GMT -5
I still like Pitino myself. Not nearly as much as Tubby, but I can put up with Pitino nonetheless.
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Post by katman on May 20, 2005 14:27:43 GMT -5
I still like Pitino myself. Not nearly as much as Tubby, but I can put up with Pitino nonetheless. I dont like UofL myself. Never have never will (Actually I hate UL). Pitino is part of UL and says UL is the best coaching decision he ever made.
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Post by kentubbybasketball on May 20, 2005 14:37:01 GMT -5
I'm actually glad that Pitino is at UofL... or not at Kentucky, because it paved the way to get Tubby Smith here. And, according to some people Tubby was Pitino's suggestion to CM Newton as his replacement. Gotta love Pitino for that one.
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Post by katman on May 20, 2005 14:48:53 GMT -5
I'm actually glad that Pitino is at UofL... or not at Kentucky, because it paved the way to get Tubby Smith here. And, according to some people Tubby was Pitino's suggestion to CM Newton as his replacement. Gotta love Pitino for that one. Pitinos first suggestion for coach after he left UK was Ralph Williard if you remember. Pitino at UL hurts UK, since he has turned the media in his favor and subsequently in ULs favor. I know, I live in Louisville and I see the medias change the last 4 years.
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