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Post by UKFAN on Jan 8, 2003 10:46:14 GMT -5
www.courierjournal.com/cjsports/bkb/comment/030108forde.htmlUK coach Tubby Smith has won a national title and some form of Southeastern Conference hardware (tournament or regular season) each of his five seasons. He's 14-4 in the NCAA Tournament, which is outstanding. But he also has failed to sustain his powerful start in Lexington, to the disappointment of Big Blue Nation. Since the bulk of Rick Pitino's recruits left in 1999, Smith's NCAA record is 5-3 -- without a victory over anyone seeded better than seventh. His SEC road record the past three seasons is 12-12. Two of his past three teams have been bounced in the first round of the SEC Tournament. I really thought Tubby had better numbers than the above paragraph. Heck, those numbers are at average at best.
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Post by catzfaninohio on Jan 8, 2003 11:06:36 GMT -5
year _____reg season ___sec tourny __ncaa tourny
99/00 ____ 20-9 _________1-1 ______1-1
00/01 _____19-9 _________3-0 ______2-1
01/02 _____20-8 __________0-1 ______2-1
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Post by Kybluegal on Jan 8, 2003 11:25:03 GMT -5
You all just like to make Tubby look as bad as you can..You take some kind of perverse pleasure in doing so I know..That is sad...You will never be happy with anyone...You just want Tubby gone so bad that you will take anything you can find and twist it to your satisfaction!! Sad really really sad that you take such pleasure in making a person look bad...You sure wouldn't like it if someone did the same to you!
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Post by TedRay80 on Jan 8, 2003 11:49:30 GMT -5
year _____reg season ___sec tourny __ncaa tourny 99/00 ____ 20-9 _________1-1 ______1-1 00/01 _____19-9 _________3-0 ______2-1 01/02 _____20-8 __________0-1 ______2-1 I suppose these numbers are supposed to make the coach look bad, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find many who have done better over the past 3 years, and certainly to expect any who did better to be coming here.
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Post by catzfaninohio on Jan 8, 2003 12:28:43 GMT -5
what are you talking about ? i was just giving UKFAN records of orlando s since 99
that he mentioned in the article
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Post by catzfaninohio on Jan 8, 2003 12:31:41 GMT -5
how do we make orlando look bad anyway ? by giving the true record over certain years? like his record ..when he had his own players? seems if anyone is making orlando look bad his his own shortcomings in recruiting and the games UK has lost
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Post by Tummygoat on Jan 8, 2003 12:46:39 GMT -5
If you want to see the other records for the top 5 programs I can provide those. You'll see Kentucky is looking pretty good. Now thats minus the current "powers" Duke, Arizona, and perhaps Michigan St.
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Post by TedRay80 on Jan 8, 2003 12:55:35 GMT -5
If you want to see the other records for the top 5 programs I can provide those. You'll see Kentucky is looking pretty good. Now thats minus the current "powers" Duke, Arizona, and perhaps Michigan St. ...and if you expect to ALWAYS be one of the top three powers, your expectations are ridiculous. Over a long span, no coach--not Coach K, not Lute Olsen, not Tom Izzo--has been able to consistently keep his team as a top 3 power. (Rick Pitino hasn't stayed anywhere long enough for that to be determined for him. UK was only one of the top 3 or so powers under him during his last 2 or 3 seasons. By the way, he's not coming back.)
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Post by still_busted on Jan 8, 2003 12:59:18 GMT -5
Damn, I don't see where we should be concerned with what ANY other school doe's as some have indicated, or have made a feeble attempt to throw the ball in someone else's court and take the wolf away from the TOPIC that started this thread. is that the ONLY defense those who support Tubby can come up with? ANd Belinda. WE HAVE NOT MADE Tubby LOOK BAD. HE has done a pretty good job of that all by himself and NOBODY should get pi**ed because somebody else post FACTS. Heck, I don't like them no more than the next person, but we ALL have to face them and these are what Tubby has put out there for us. I am a UK FAN first and foremost and could NOT care less what some other schools coach doe's as I do NOT cheer for them, nor do I support them. I have said this before but there are a FEW who have not grasped the meaning YET, so I will say it again for THEIR benefit. I was a UK FAN BEFORE Tubby was even BORN and will be a UKFAN LONG after he is gone. WERE the ones who DO LOVE Tubby UKFANS BEFORE HE TOOK OVER? I rest MY case.
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Post by TedRay80 on Jan 8, 2003 13:28:25 GMT -5
WERE the ones who DO LOVE Tubby UKFANS BEFORE HE TOOK OVER? I rest MY case. Don't quite know what the case is, but the answer to your question is: Yes, long before he took over. Why are we comparing to other teams? Because it seems the only sensible thing to do when trying to analyze numbers such as W-L's. Without something to compare to, a number is meaningless. Is 100 a lot? If you're talking about how long someone lives, yes. If you're talking about an annual salary, no. You have to have a comparison. Since we are talking about quality of coaching, the most logical comparison would be to other coaches that are also coaching right now.
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Post by UKFAN on Jan 8, 2003 14:26:34 GMT -5
"But he also has failed to sustain his powerful start in Lexington, to the disappointment of Big Blue Nation. Since the bulk of Rick Pitino's recruits left in 1999, Smith's NCAA record is 5-3 -- without a victory over anyone seeded better than seventh. His SEC road record the past three seasons is 12-12. Two of his past three teams have been bounced in the first round of the SEC Tournament."
Kybluegal, these are not my words, these are the words of Pat Forde. He wrote them, not me. So, tell me, how come you think I am making Tubby look bad when someone else worte the words about Tubby's lack of accomplishments since "the bulk of Rick Pitino's recruits left in 1999. I can recall after a game that was played against Alabama in Louisville during Tubby's first year of coaching he said that once he got his own players in place, he would be able to play the style of play that would result in victories and the style of play the fans wanted, i.e. press. Well, it so happens that same group of players won the national championship that year with Tubby at the helm. Since 1999, things just haven't been the same at UK and by the looks of his next recruiting class, things are only going to get worse. I, nor anyone else, has to try and make Tubby look bad. He does that himself.
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Post by Kybluegal on Jan 8, 2003 16:43:33 GMT -5
Well Pat Forde sucks and he is not a UK fan and he has it out for Tubby just like you and the rest of the bashers do..I am just sick and tired of all the bull hockey that is thrown out here more and more every day...Tubby IS A DAMN GOOD COACH!!!!!!!!! ANd no he did not make Kentucky but neither did Pitino, whom you and a bunch of others seem to think is a God sat on a pedestal to worship..Fraid not people..Tubby does not make himself look bad..it is fans like you and the media that make him look bad!!!!!!!!
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Post by Kybluegal on Jan 8, 2003 16:47:19 GMT -5
Damn, I don't see where we should be concerned with what ANY other school doe's as some have indicated, or have made a feeble attempt to throw the ball in someone else's court and take the wolf away from the TOPIC that started this thread. is that the ONLY defense those who support Tubby can come up with? ANd Belinda. WE HAVE NOT MADE Tubby LOOK BAD. HE has done a pretty good job of that all by himself and NOBODY should get pi**ed because somebody else post FACTS. Heck, I don't like them no more than the next person, but we ALL have to face them and these are what Tubby has put out there for us. I am a UK FAN first and foremost and could NOT care less what some other schools coach doe's as I do NOT cheer for them, nor do I support them. I have said this before but there are a FEW who have not grasped the meaning YET, so I will say it again for THEIR benefit. I was a UK FAN BEFORE Tubby was even BORN and will be a UKFAN LONG after he is gone. WERE the ones who DO LOVE Tubby UKFANS BEFORE HE TOOK OVER? I rest MY case. Busted you know how I feel about this and I am not going to get into it with you..We are both very bullheaded people on this subject and I respect you way to much to get in an argument with you!! And yes I have always been a UK Fan before and after any coach that has every been here..You can not say that I am not a fan because I am diehard blue all the way through!
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Post by UKFAN on Jan 8, 2003 17:19:11 GMT -5
It didn't matter to me who the coach was at UK, I wanted us to win every game. When I coached basketball, I wanted to win every game. Tubby was given a team that knew how to play the game and he led them to the national championship. However, the facts speak for themselves, UK has had average numbers since 99. It takes two elements to having a winning, championship team. 1) Players. 2) A coach that knows how to teach the game and get the max from those players. Although I like our players, we don't have the top high school players it takes to be competitive for a national championship. And by competitive, I don't mean getting to the sweetsixteen.
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Post by still_busted on Jan 8, 2003 19:34:41 GMT -5
Out of respect for a members name, I will refrain from now on calling you teddy, TedRay80. BUT, this comment by you===== Over a long span, no coach--not Coach K, not Lute Olsen, not Tom Izzo--has been able to consistently keep his team as a top 3 power don't make a heck of a lot of sense since you want to compare coach K's record to tubbys. Well, coach K's record the last FIVE years is, ----READY for this? 164 and 19. Pretty darn good record wouldn't you say? Compared to tubbys record, he las lost MORE games in TWO years than K has in FIVE. OUCH ;D ;D. But, that is OK with me cause I can't stand him, {COACH K that is}
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