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Post by TexasBlue on Mar 14, 2005 21:00:09 GMT -5
Hey there moderators, maybe we could move most of this to the Hot Tub so our visitors are not scared off.
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 14, 2005 21:07:52 GMT -5
Hey there moderators, maybe we could move most of this to the Hot Tub so our visitors are not scared off. That's right!! - sweep it under the carpet again!!  |
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Post by TexasBlue on Mar 14, 2005 21:11:13 GMT -5
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Post by TexasBlue on Mar 14, 2005 21:16:26 GMT -5
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Post by matt57 on Mar 14, 2005 21:49:53 GMT -5
you know, i have been reading this thread and others on the board. the more i think about it and the more i try to look at it "objectively" the more i see the points of the people who are upset.
for some reason, whether it's lack of teaching, confidence, or just the enourmous amount of pressure, we simply can't shoot the ball consistently. i look at the recruits we've had come in over the years. carrier, prince, bogans, and even barbour, all were "shooters". however something changed when they got to UK. bogans and prince were great, but streaky at best. i don't know what goes on in practive nor do i have any idea how to fix the issue. but, anyone who says there is nothing wrong is just not being true with themselves.
and before you call me a "doom and gloomer" i'm not refering to just the UF title game. i'm talking about every game this year. we have yet to put a COMPLETE game together. maybe this is a good thing.
i just don't see us beating an oklahoma with good shooters and 2 legit post players. heck, if cincy beats iowa, which is a big if. i think we could go down to them. look at what they have 2 HUGE forwards who clean the glass. 1 outstanding shooter, and an freakishley athletic wing player. i think we are in trouble if we don't play 2 solid halves of basketball......i had this same feeling when i saw the bracket last year....i thought we would be upset in the second round....however i thought it would be wash. not uab...
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Post by TexasBlue on Mar 14, 2005 22:07:54 GMT -5
you know, i have been reading this thread and others on the board. the more i think about it and the more i try to look at it "objectively" the more i see the points of the people who are upset. for some reason, whether it's lack of teaching, confidence, or just the enourmous amount of pressure, we simply can't shoot the ball consistently. i look at the recruits we've had come in over the years. carrier, prince, bogans, and even barbour, all were "shooters". however something changed when they got to UK. bogans and prince were great, but streaky at best. i don't know what goes on in practive nor do i have any idea how to fix the issue. but, anyone who says there is nothing wrong is just not being true with themselves. and before you call me a "doom and gloomer" i'm not refering to just the UF title game. i'm talking about every game this year. we have yet to put a COMPLETE game together. maybe this is a good thing. i just don't see us beating an oklahoma with good shooters and 2 legit post players. heck, if cincy beats iowa, which is a big if. i think we could go down to them. look at what they have 2 HUGE forwards who clean the glass. 1 outstanding shooter, and an freakishley athletic wing player. i think we are in trouble if we don't play 2 solid halves of basketball......i had this same feeling when i saw the bracket last year....i thought we would be upset in the second round....however i thought it would be wash. not uab... Now that is a good post. One thought is that none of the players referenced were ever under the pressure they faced at UK. Carrier has been a practice shooter for four years now. Some players handle that kind of pressure a lot different, as I am sure you are aware. Also. others will come around, but it might take a couple of years to get real comfortable with everything. |
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 14, 2005 22:27:12 GMT -5
"Also. others will come around, but it might take a couple of years to get real comfortable with everything" - posts TB
Why does Tubby have to strip all the tallented players down just to rebuild them for his system and basically waste one to two years of their eligibility.
I truely believe that Tubby's System of playing only one inflexible way is what puts the pressure on quite a few of our recruits (especially outside players) and they never achieve what was potentially there with their natural abilities.
There's an old coaching adage that goes like this:
" A great coach can take your team and beat you as well as taking their team and beat you".
That to me means that while all Coaches may have a preferred system, they must adapt to the players and tallent available to get the most out of the resources. - that is truely successful coaching, teaching, managing or any kind of successful leader.
We have sure had some underachieving players on offense especially guards.
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Post by TexasBlue on Mar 14, 2005 22:34:28 GMT -5
I like that adage about the coach. Good one.
My point I was refering to only had to do with players.
No Tubby discussion from me.
And, what I was trying to get across was that some players have a more difficult time adjusting to the pressure of a big university like UK. This of course affects there shooting. Like Carrier.
Maybe not.
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Post by matt57 on Mar 14, 2005 22:46:19 GMT -5
tb, i think you are absolutely right. the pressure @ uk is intense. however, i have to agree with golf. in the 8 years of the recruits we brought in you would think at least one. could've stepped in immediately and paid HUGE dividends. not like carmelo but more like lofton of this year, or paul last year or even ford.
i don't mean come in and dominate i mean come in and EXCEL at what they were recruited for. there is something going on when Tubby gets a recruit he either intimidates them or makes them afraid to be agressive with a quick hook. IMO crawford got yanked several times earlier in the year for mistakes that were made repeatedly by morris and rondo.
i know some players handle it differently, but no one has handeld it GREAT. there is something under the surface there. just look back @ stone. terrible @ UK and you know who turns him in to a 14 and 8 guy in less than a year. i think the same will happen with cote. it also happened with bradley when he left for nova.
just my thoughts, i totally see where your coming from
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 14, 2005 22:54:33 GMT -5
matt57, great developoment of what I was referring to in my post.
Anyone who has been in the military was taught repeatedly in Basic Training "Don't think soldier, REACT!!"
Well I think that it is the opposite with Tubby and his new recruits in his Basic Training "Don't react recruit, THINK" and they find themselves with those slight hesitations to "THINK about what coach wants" and that may mean all the difference in the world in performing in big time college basketball.
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Post by ChrisR155 on Mar 14, 2005 22:58:19 GMT -5
tb, i think you are absolutely right. the pressure @ uk is intense. however, i have to agree with golf. in the 8 years of the recruits we brought in you would think at least one. could've stepped in immediately and paid HUGE dividends. not like carmelo but more like lofton of this year, or paul last year or even ford. Well none of these guys were maybe compared to Lofton in stats(of course UT had very little to work with in the first place) but Chuck, and Fitch both started at some point as freshman and both contributed. Bogans contributed a lot as a freshman---actually scored more as a freshman than as a Junior...and that was in 747 minutes vs. 1116 minutes as a Jr. We have started two freshman from day one this year...both Rondo and Morris. Bradley has gotten lots of PT this year. And something that shows they have confidence in Crawford is that he was put back in against LSU in the last 2 minutes of the game when it was down to the wire. He is playing with confidence, and is going to get the nod when needed. |
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Post by matt57 on Mar 14, 2005 23:00:02 GMT -5
well golf i'll take it a little further. there were a few instances where crawford would look to take his man one on one and then hesitate. by the time he made his mind up a defensive player was ready to take the charge. then he was yanked for making a "freshman" mistake. if you noticed he pulled up in the lsu game for a nice jumper. he's learning but near as fast as he could've under the right tutilege.
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Post by TexasBlue on Mar 14, 2005 23:31:37 GMT -5
I can understand you guys point. There is a lot to be said with the way he has handled some of the recruiters. Worth keeping an eye on too.
I would have liked to have been at the LSU game when Crawford got going. That would have been great to watch.
One thing I might add that goes along with what you guys were talking about, is on the positive side, the players realy seem to be pulling for one another and seem to get along real well, for what that's worth.
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 14, 2005 23:47:53 GMT -5
I can understand you guys point. There is a lot to be said with the way he has handled some of the recruiters. Worth keeping an eye on too. I would have liked to have been at the LSU game when Crawford got going. That would have been great to watch. One thing I might add that goes along with what you guys were talking about, is on the positive side, the players realy seem to be pulling for one another and seem to get along real well, for what that's worth. TB, Great observation and that tightness is not present with many teams. ;D |
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Post by Kj with the mid day on Mar 15, 2005 8:12:56 GMT -5
For those who think Tubby's offense is sub par:
If you really knew as much about basketball as you seem to think you do, you would be coaching for a D1 college instead oif posting on a message board.
Tubby is the man, but he isn't God.
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