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Post by golfnsr on Mar 15, 2005 10:24:40 GMT -5
For those who think Tubby's offense is sub par: If you really knew as much about basketball as you seem to think you do, you would be coaching for a D1 college instead oif posting on a message board. Tubby is the man, but he isn't God. Kj with the mid day, do you think that our offense is getting the job done AGAINST TOUGHER OPPONENTS?? It's pretty easy to blow off the critics of Tubby's so-called offense by saying that we are not Division I Coaches. Does someone that buys shampoo know whether it is good product even though they are not the manufacturer of it? - No, they are a consumer who uses the product. Well as a consumer of Kentucky Basketball, I'm not satisfied with our inept offense and yes I am not a $2 million coach!!
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Post by snickram on Mar 15, 2005 10:41:29 GMT -5
For those who think Tubby's offense is sub par: If you really knew as much about basketball as you seem to think you do, you would be coaching for a D1 college instead oif posting on a message board. Tubby is the man, but he isn't God. we'll have this same conversation 10 years from now and Tubby will still have no final four appearances (other then 98-pitino recruits), but yet there will still be Tubby supporters saying he's the greatest coach ever at UK. I just don't understand??
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 15, 2005 11:17:39 GMT -5
we'll have this same conversation 10 years from now and Tubby will still have no final four appearances (other then 98-pitino recruits), but yet there will still be Tubby supporters saying he's the greatest coach ever at UK. I just don't understand?? snick, I think that some Cat Fans are just as happy with the good winning % every year, a clean Program, a Coach with great character who is a good reflection on the University. They are certainly getting that with Tubby Smith and his current coaching philosophy. However, there are some of us that want Kentucky to get back to being one of the Premier Programs which are judged by Final Four appearances. We will not be in that Premier classification under Tubby as long as he remains with his present all defense and slow down type of half court offense THAT DOEN'T PRODUCE IN EITHER LOSSES OR WINS. True we have been successful in getting good recruits this past year but even that will stop if recruits look at what they will face in the Cats' anemic offense. - an exciting Offense is what helps recruit players and not just defense. I hope that Tubby really steps back and realizes that he needs some help with the offense after this year. If he doesn't, we will remain a top 20 Program that gets rated higher just because of our Kentucky name but we will fizzle out every year when we get to the NCAA Tourney and face stiffer competition where we will actually need both an offense and defense.
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Post by ChrisR155 on Mar 15, 2005 11:28:39 GMT -5
we'll have this same conversation 10 years from now and Tubby will still have no final four appearances (other then 98-pitino recruits), but yet there will still be Tubby supporters saying he's the greatest coach ever at UK. I just don't understand?? So you really think we won't get another final four in the next 10 years? I will concede that it is always possible....but I don't believe that is what will happen if Tubby is here. We won't lose any of these freshman after this year, and they will likely need to be here through the Jr. season...if we keep Morris here for his Jr season....with all the talent that we are going to get in the 06' class and the uprising of Rondo, Crawford, and Bradley at that point. I think the next 2 years we are likely to be huge contenders for the title and final 4.
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Post by chewy on Mar 15, 2005 12:49:26 GMT -5
we'll have this same conversation 10 years from now and Tubby will still have no final four appearances (other then 98-pitino recruits), but yet there will still be Tubby supporters saying he's the greatest coach ever at UK. I just don't understand?? I'll take that bet, 10 years from now and we will have no final fours?? AGAIN, I say, If you give no credit to Tubby for 98, then you cant give any credit to Bill Self, Roy williams, and Weber at Illinois ........AM I WRONG HERE Dont tell me its there 2nd year, its the other guys recruits winning games for them
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Post by wildcat2020 on Mar 15, 2005 13:41:35 GMT -5
I can't totally agree with the fact that Tubby can't coach offense I just think it takes longer to grasp. The 98 team was an experienced team and were able to adapt to Tubby's scheme we had no trouble in the half court offense in the end and the defense was good too. In 2003 we came together and our half court offense was much better than it is now. I still believe with a healthy bogans we wouldn't be sitting here talking about how Tubby can't go to a final 4 or win a national championship. The loss of bogans destoyed our mindset and we were lost without him. Am I happy with our lack of offense... no but I think it will take time and that is something kentucky fans will offer little of it is the here and the now we are always concerned with. We have to remember this is a young team the youngest we have seen in several years here at kentucky. I think that patience will be the key this is a very talented team probably the most talented since the 96 team but not as talented. Something I think Tubby may have done is try to delay the development of this team in order to peak later in the year I think the case with last years team and maybe the 2003 team is that we peaked too early, this team has yet to peak. We can only watch and see if it does to see if this strategy worked. This was mentioned by one of the JP commentators. If this team does peak in the Ncaa tourney they win it all if not they go home sweet 16 or earlier.
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Post by wildcat2020 on Mar 15, 2005 13:45:45 GMT -5
One thing that concerns me more than our lack of offense is the horrible rebounding. If we were a good rebounding team we would be in much better shape that is something that could come together but most likely will not happen this year.
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Post by Bailey on Mar 15, 2005 13:50:38 GMT -5
Being 57 years old I can safely say I am one of the older posters. I have seen Rupp, Hall, Sutton, Pitino and Smith. From what I understand there are some people that think going to the Final Four once every 10 years is great. HOGWASH! Think about it 4 teams per year times 10 years equals 40 teams. That sure doesn't make UK one of the premier teams. We should be in the Final Four AT LEAST once every 3 to 4 years. With that in mind we are behind schedule. Bailey
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Post by wildcat2020 on Mar 15, 2005 13:57:29 GMT -5
I am not saying I am happy with not going to the final 4 and it is to be expected to go to the final 4 every 3-4 years but I think we have kinda had bad luck the past 2-3 years, the ball has to bounce our way it just hasn't recently, Pitino once said to win the national championship you have to have the ball bounce your way at crucial times it just seems here lately when things have the opportunity to go either way we always end up on the losing end. Pitino spoke of the differences between 93 an 96 we he spoke of breaks. Although in 96 IMO we just were way more talented
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Post by Couchfan2 on Mar 15, 2005 16:52:34 GMT -5
I want Tubby to stay. making people think that I want him to go was not my goal. I was merely suggesting that either Tubby needs to step in or barhardt and give Tubby an offensive minded coach. you would think that after 6-7 years of coaching Tubby would realize that he needs help on O.
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 15, 2005 17:23:32 GMT -5
While I'm down on Tubby's offensive schemes, I do not think it is fair to negate him coaching the Cats to the NCAA Title in 1998. If Pitino had stayed, there is no gurantee that he would have coached us to the Title. Pitino could or may have but Tubby DID.
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Post by UKFAN on Mar 15, 2005 17:49:18 GMT -5
golf, something we will never know. I think in order to win the national title, a team must be mentally tough. the 98 group were mature and mentally tough. Tubby has yet to teach his players the mental toughness it takes to win a national championship. Would a offensive minded assistant help? Maybe, but one thing for sure, in order to win 6 games, a team must be very talented, get the call (such as Duke usually does) and/or be mentally tough.
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Post by rankf117 on Mar 15, 2005 18:46:33 GMT -5
I think that it the gas prices are also Tubbys' Fault.
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 15, 2005 19:11:20 GMT -5
I think that it the gas prices are also Tubbys' Fault. Man, Tubby is sure taking the pressure off of Bush who would normally be blamed for the gas prices!!
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