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Post by kentubbybasketball on Jun 11, 2005 9:40:28 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure Tubby has his priorities in life, and if he does winning a national titel shouldn't be #1. I'd put God first: "seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteous and all these things should be added unto you."
katman, I meant to be as vauge as could be with that quote. I can't change what people think about me really, and if they want to believe I put Tubby over the program, let them. I won't lose any sleep because of it. My life is still great, thank God!!
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Post by golfnsr on Jun 11, 2005 9:42:06 GMT -5
Katman, very good take on the situation that has evolved in the Kentucky Basketball Program.
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Post by katman on Jun 11, 2005 9:56:14 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure Tubby has his priorities in life, and if he does winning a national titel shouldn't be #1. I'd put God first: "seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteous and all these things should be added unto you." katman, I meant to be as vauge as could be with that quote. I can't change what people think about me really, and if they want to believe I put Tubby over the program, let them. I won't lose any sleep because of it. My life is still great, thank God!! I think you are a great fan...I will leave it at that. But I do think one can be hellbent on winning a title and being tops in his field and all the while have his faith as a #1 priority. I dont think all title winning coaches are sons of satan...well Pitino might be but I digress. LOL
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Post by katman on Jun 11, 2005 10:03:10 GMT -5
Katman, very good take on the situation that has evolved in the Kentucky Basketball Program. Lately its good that we are not "Cigar Smokers" as "Close" as we seem to be anymore. All this is moot anyway, Tubby isnt leaving. I think we can get to another Title game under Tubby. I am 49 so I have a few shots left...god willing. I can see how some of the older fans may think about how long it may take. If there are two factions of fans....Tubby Supporters and Anti Tubbys, I would like to be a member of a third faction......"Tubby supporter who would like to see him coaching somewhere else" while we hire someone that runs a system that is offensive minded and entertaining to fans and recruits. Call me spoiled and a bad fan...But thats how I feel. I mean, could it be adventagious having a style that recruits love playing? Hummm, I wonder?
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Post by wyldcatzrool on Jun 11, 2005 10:14:19 GMT -5
Here is an idea...
Silly Donovan down at UF realized that offensively he had it going on pretty well, but that his team was 'soft'...not tough enough...particularly when it came to defense...
So what did Silly D do? He went out and he hired himself a tough, defensive minded assistant coach...did it make a difference? Well, seems to me that after UK ruling over UF the past 8 years or so, we lost to them TWICE this past season...and they flat out smoked us in the SEC tourney...
Yeah...it worked...it did make a difference...
So why doesn't Tubby go out and hire himself an assistant who is uptempo, offensive-minded...Tubby can still be the great defensive coach that he is...and perhaps an injection of new ideas offensively can breathe some new life into our game plan...
Just a thought...
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Post by katman on Jun 11, 2005 10:23:57 GMT -5
Thats a great idea, but Tubby wont do that because he would be afraid that UK fans would want that guys as head coach. Picture Tubby hiring John Pelphrey as an assistant and then picture a loss at home. Get my drift?
That 2 million a year sugarship would start to sail a bit.
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Post by wyldcatzrool on Jun 11, 2005 10:32:21 GMT -5
you have a point...or just maybe he wants to run the show on both ends of the floor...I mean, who knows... I know that if Dummie Hal Mumme wasn't such a one-track minded offensive guy and he had just decided to hire a REAL Defensive coordinator instead of keeping his lame friend Mike Major, well...we actually would have really had something there...how many games did we score a bunch of points and still lose?!?!? Quite a bit... I think that sometimes when a coach chooses NOT to do what seems like an obviously good idea, it is born out of a certain amount of ego and a certain amount of stubborness... I am not saying that is the case with Tubby necessarily...just talking out loud here...
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Post by katman on Jun 11, 2005 10:44:33 GMT -5
you have a point...or just maybe he wants to run the show on both ends of the floor...I mean, who knows... I know that if Dummie Hal Mumme wasn't such a one-track minded offensive guy and he had just decided to hire a REAL Defensive coordinator instead of keeping his lame friend Mike Major, well...we actually would have really had something there...how many games did we score a bunch of points and still lose?!?!? Quite a bit... I think that sometimes when a coach chooses NOT to do what seems like an obviously good idea, it is born out of a certain amount of ego and a certain amount of stubborness... I am not saying that is the case with Tubby necessarily...just talking out loud here... We were on our way in football with Mumme "HAD" he hired a Defensive co-orditaor worth a crap. But when his regime cheated it was "Game Over" at least with Tubby that wont happen. I am going to hope for the best this season and pull hard for Uk like I always do it both sports. I would like to see Larry Brown here for 2 or 3 years though.
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Post by wyldcatzrool on Jun 11, 2005 11:03:09 GMT -5
you have a point...or just maybe he wants to run the show on both ends of the floor...I mean, who knows... I know that if Dummie Hal Mumme wasn't such a one-track minded offensive guy and he had just decided to hire a REAL Defensive coordinator instead of keeping his lame friend Mike Major, well...we actually would have really had something there...how many games did we score a bunch of points and still lose?!?!? Quite a bit... I think that sometimes when a coach chooses NOT to do what seems like an obviously good idea, it is born out of a certain amount of ego and a certain amount of stubborness... I am not saying that is the case with Tubby necessarily...just talking out loud here... We were on our way in football with Mumme "HAD" he hired a Defensive co-orditaor worth a crap. But when his regime cheated it was "Game Over" at least with Tubby that wont happen. I am going to hope for the best this season and pull hard for Uk like I always do it both sports. I would like to see Larry Brown here for 2 or 3 years though. good points...Mumme was a slickster and a cheater...I just used him and his one track mind as an example really anyway...Tubby does things the right way and I would not want it any other way... Larry Brown would be great...but I am not sure if I would want to go the route of hiring a 'transitional' coach...not if I could avoid it anyway...
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Post by wyldcatzrool on Jun 11, 2005 11:06:11 GMT -5
let me add that I just think that there are too many possible negatives associated with acquiring an obviously transitional coach who would not be here for very long...we all know that Brown and Tubby are buddies...
I am not sure who I would want to come in here right now...oh, I have a few names floating about in my mind perhaps...but I will concern myself with that more when it becomes a neccesity...until Tubby leaves or retires, that is who we got...
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Post by CatDaddy on Jun 11, 2005 11:38:51 GMT -5
We've gotten both under Tubby, and that's why there's only "like 2 people" that want him gone. Kentubby....Here is a personal challenge. Make that post at DD and you will see that just on our site..not to mention THIS one, there are many who would disagree with you there. I personally am on the fence with Tubby, and I have promised to give respect to the man since he deserves that, but you are so off in saying that only 2 want him gone that I am about to bust my sides laughing at your post. And in fairness, DD has almost ALL the "anti's" there, they all migrated when their views were deemed too harsh elsewhere.. BUT even a poll there last year showed only about 12% wanted Tubby gone.. DD has a lot of lurkers that don't post obviously and when you see how some debates degenerate (I have been as guilty as anyone at that too, I'm claiming no moral high ground here) you can understand why, some people simply don't want to argue with other UK fans.... Keep ;D
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Post by CatDaddy on Jun 11, 2005 11:40:19 GMT -5
Here is an idea... Silly Donovan down at UF realized that offensively he had it going on pretty well, but that his team was 'soft'...not tough enough...particularly when it came to defense... So what did Silly D do? He went out and he hired himself a tough, defensive minded assistant coach...did it make a difference? Well, seems to me that after UK ruling over UF the past 8 years or so, we lost to them TWICE this past season...and they flat out smoked us in the SEC tourney... Yeah...it worked...it did make a difference... So why doesn't Tubby go out and hire himself an assistant who is uptempo, offensive-minded...Tubby can still be the great defensive coach that he is...and perhaps an injection of new ideas offensively can breathe some new life into our game plan... Just a thought... I agree and have said that since the day Billy D hired his "help".... Keep ;D
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Post by katman on Jun 11, 2005 12:21:59 GMT -5
Kentubby....Here is a personal challenge. Make that post at DD and you will see that just on our site..not to mention THIS one, there are many who would disagree with you there. I personally am on the fence with Tubby, and I have promised to give respect to the man since he deserves that, but you are so off in saying that only 2 want him gone that I am about to bust my sides laughing at your post. And in fairness, DD has almost ALL the "anti's" there, they all migrated when their views were deemed too harsh elsewhere.. BUT even a poll there last year showed only about 12% wanted Tubby gone.. DD has a lot of lurkers that don't post obviously and when you see how some debates degenerate (I have been as guilty as anyone at that too, I'm claiming no moral high ground here) you can understand why, some people simply don't want to argue with other UK fans.... Keep ;D You are correct. The way I see it...If a thread "Degenerates" its the people that do it. So if people do it...there must be some interest in what people do in that event, and some interest in that thread...LOL In life, we always have our wives...our bosses, our girlfriends, our girlfriends our wives know not of...LOL looking over our shoulder and correcting us. I guess sometimes we need to know there is a place a click away where we can just let it roll and not worry about what someone else can do to change your primal urge. LOL Anyway, Tubby has my respect as a man and as a coach. What he does need though is something to shut the Cutters up or else it will get indefenseable. Right now arguments can be waged in defense, but I feel the points ringing less rigid with each passing year. Part of the reason I would like a new coach is I am sick of arguing about this one. All this is moot if we hoist one in April though. Can we do it with Tubby...We can, Tubby knows the way to the final game...So does Billy Donovan, but neither has been back since. I still would take Tubby over Donovan any day.
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Post by stagger on Jun 11, 2005 12:46:25 GMT -5
I don't want to come off as putting the coach above the institution..... but exactly who in the hell DO you want to coach UK? I've read dozens and dozens of complaints about the current coach, but I've yet to hear someone actually name a person they favor instead of Tubby.
Do we really want to run the risk of having a Mike Davis come in here? I don't think so. Could Mark Few come in and have the same kind of success or greater than Tubby has had? Doubt it, he's a big fish in a tiny pond an a NCAA tourney underachiever.
If you don't have a solution to the problem, you're just talking because you like the sound of it.
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Post by katman on Jun 11, 2005 12:55:16 GMT -5
I don't want to come off as putting the coach above the institution..... but exactly who in the hell DO you want to coach UK? I've read dozens and dozens of complaints about the current coach, but I've yet to hear someone actually name a person they favor instead of Tubby. Do we really want to run the risk of having a Mike Davis come in here? I don't think so. Could Mark Few come in and have the same kind of success or greater than Tubby has had? Doubt it, he's a big fish in a tiny pond an a NCAA tourney underachiever. If you don't have a solution to the problem, you're just talking because you like the sound of it. Personally I would like Tubby to replicate the first year at some point. Can he do this...Yes...Will he...I hope so. Its the off season, we must talk about something. It cant all be about who is leaving next ...Kaz...Morris. Hopefully we can get a unified effort at some point and have a team that will focus on one goal. Tubby has my support and my respect....BUT, let me digress a bit........... Anyway, what UK needs is more focus on the general "Operations" of UK hoops. It's all fine and dandy to have a team where all is buddy buddy, but we need to have the whole focus on Conditioning, individual instruction" and a plan set out for each and every player to work his tail off in the offseason. Each player must contact the coach and give updates on how he is doing and take more advice and work his butt off.
There needs to be a unified policy in place that we will not suurender...each game we will run until our d***s drag the floor, we will not submit to fatigue...we will win with heart hard work and desire. This cant just be said, this must be demanded.
We need to run from tip off to the horn sounds with such abandon that it seems like our hair is on fire. We must score like we are going for scoring records and continue that effort in full court pressing and trapping and we will have knives shooting out of our eyes with intensity. We must substitute good to great players off the bench that will not miss a beat and we must all have ONE focus, one Dream...ONE passion. To climb to the top of that ladder in April and show theworld that Kentucky basketbal is back.
Another thing we must do is generate excitement, we must elevate expectations, we must get the PR monster back, and we must demand national interest with out blood sweat and tears intensity. The time has come for UK to do this. We have the players to run this heart and soul system...we must allow it to happen and not fear the results. The only thing we need to do as far as results are is to give every last shread of skin on our knees, every last drop of sweat, and every last bit of hustle when the game is over so we can look in the mirror as a team and each player can say to themselves I went for the satisfaction of knowing I gave everything I had. I succeeded.
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