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Post by kentubbybasketball on Jun 21, 2005 11:31:18 GMT -5
Yeah, the program did slip, because of the same reason you just gave: it was already at the top. Did you expect us to get to the title game every year that Tubby has been here? Even then, the program wouldn't have imporved, because it couldn't have improved.
It still doesn't change the fact that Tubby is the only coach without a .500 or worse record in UK history. We can find stats to support whoever we want, at the end of the day we have, the coach that we have.
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Post by CardHater on Jun 25, 2005 10:16:50 GMT -5
Texas Blue and others The past is why UK is so highly reguarded. If you say forget it then we have to look at the present and frankly it doesn't add up over the last 7 years to make UK the number one university in Basketball. Look at the Final Fours and National Championships in the last 7 years (Tubbys Rein). Mich. St, Duke, Kansas, and NC all have more appearances (this is what we play the first half of the season for). As for losing seasons that Tubby doesn't have. I have to say that is very good, but if you look at what Tubby inherated versus Rupp and Pitino there are no comparisons. Rupp built the program from the ground up and will ALWAYS BE THE GREATEST COACH UK will ever have. As for Pitino he inherated a team that was bottoming out due to CHEATING. When Pitino left he left Tubby with a Pre Season number 1 ranked team. In my opinion the past has everything to do with UK being Number 1. That is why we have been considered the best team in basketball and it is up to whom ever that is in charge at the present to keep us NUMBER 1. IT IS ALL ABOUT NACHIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS AND FINAL FOURS. Bailey I just wanted to take you to task on one thing here. The team that Tubby inherited from Rick Pitino was far from ranked #1 pre-season, in fact they were ranked right around 15th in that preseason poll. They also would not have won a title with Rick Pitino at the helm that year, that is why he chose then to leave. In the two years preceding we had lost Antoine Walker, Tony Delk, Walter McCarty, Derek Anderson, Ron Mercer, Anthony Epps, and Jared Prickett. The team we had left was Jeff Shephard, Cameron Mills, Nazr Mohammed, Scott Padgett, Wayne Turner, Heshimu Evans, among others. This team would have hed a tough time trying to play Pitino ball and would not have won the title, even the arrogant idiot himself has said this. What Pitino did leave for Tubby was a team that was custom taylored to play Tubby Ball, and play Tubby Ball they did. They won a championship playing Tubby Ball because that was a great system for that team. If not for a Bogans ankle sprain number eight would already be here, and the only thing you would be griping about was how we had to wait two years without the Final Four Wah! Wah! Wah! |
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Post by TexasBlue on Jun 25, 2005 12:33:55 GMT -5
Texas Blue and others The past is why UK is so highly reguarded. If you say forget it then we have to look at the present and frankly it doesn't add up over the last 7 years to make UK the number one university in Basketball. Look at the Final Fours and National Championships in the last 7 years (Tubbys Rein). Mich. St, Duke, Kansas, and NC all have more appearances (this is what we play the first half of the season for). As for losing seasons that Tubby doesn't have. I have to say that is very good, but if you look at what Tubby inherated versus Rupp and Pitino there are no comparisons. Rupp built the program from the ground up and will ALWAYS BE THE GREATEST COACH UK will ever have. As for Pitino he inherated a team that was bottoming out due to CHEATING. When Pitino left he left Tubby with a Pre Season number 1 ranked team. In my opinion the past has everything to do with UK being Number 1. That is why we have been considered the best team in basketball and it is up to whom ever that is in charge at the present to keep us NUMBER 1. IT IS ALL ABOUT NACHIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS AND FINAL FOURS. Bailey I just wanted to take you to task on one thing here. The team that Tubby inherited from Rick Pitino was far from ranked #1 pre-season, in fact they were ranked right around 15th in that preseason poll. They also would not have won a title with Rick Pitino at the helm that year, that is why he chose then to leave. In the two years preceding we had lost Antoine Walker, Tony Delk, Walter McCarty, Derek Anderson, Ron Mercer, Anthony Epps, and Jared Prickett. The team we had left was Jeff Shephard, Cameron Mills, Nazr Mohammed, Scott Padgett, Wayne Turner, Heshimu Evans, among others. This team would have hed a tough time trying to play Pitino ball and would not have won the title, even the arrogant idiot himself has said this. What Pitino did leave for Tubby was a team that was custom taylored to play Tubby Ball, and play Tubby Ball they did. They won a championship playing Tubby Ball because that was a great system for that team. If not for a Bogans ankle sprain number eight would already be here, and the only thing you would be griping about was how we had to wait two years without the Final Four Wah! Wah! Wah! Great post. It makes plenty of sense to me. |
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Post by golfnsr on Jun 25, 2005 12:48:03 GMT -5
"....The team that Tubby inherited from Rick Pitino was far from ranked #1 pre-season, in fact they were ranked right around 15th in that preseason poll. They also would not have won a title with Rick Pitino at the helm that year, that is why he chose then to leave. In the two years preceding we had lost Antoine Walker, Tony Delk, Walter McCarty, Derek Anderson, Ron Mercer, Anthony Epps, and Jared Prickett. The team we had left was Jeff Shephard, Cameron Mills, Nazr Mohammed, Scott Padgett, Wayne Turner, Heshimu Evans, among others. This team would have hed a tough time trying to play Pitino ball and would not have won the title, even the arrogant idiot himself has said this. What Pitino did leave for Tubby was a team that was custom taylored to play Tubby Ball, and play Tubby Ball they did. They won a championship playing Tubby Ball because that was a great system for that team. If not for a Bogans ankle sprain number eight would already be here, and the only thing you would be griping about was how we had to wait two years without the Final Four Wah! Wah! Wah!" - posted cardhater So Tubby Ball can be learned in less than one year!! Many Tubby Ball supporters have declared the reason that skilled offensive players struggle coming into the Tubby Ball System and have trouble absorbing it very quickly is that it takes a couple of years to catch on and some never catch on!! Some say "It's just a complicated System"    Well, to me, standing around on offense and rotating the ball on the outside doesn't look complicated and now it's being declared as the only reason that the 1998 Cats won the National Title is by switching from Pitino's style to Tubby Ball. They must have been a really special group to have caught on to Tubby Ball quicker than anyone else has since 1998!! 
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Post by TexasBlue on Jun 25, 2005 14:19:43 GMT -5
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Post by TexasBlue on Jun 25, 2005 14:20:20 GMT -5
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Jun 25, 2005 14:38:21 GMT -5
Tubby ball has evolved over the years, and it's not the same as it was back in 1998 or 1999 or 2000 or 2001 or 2002 or 2003 or 2004 or 2005. It wasn't Tubby Ball that won the 1998 title. It was Tubby that won that title. It was his coaching moves and adjustments that got us out of holes against Duke, Stanford, and Utah. It was his coaching that got us where we were. I'll leave it at this, because nobody can dispute this. The only response that people will have is "well, why hasn't that been duplicated," which would be a very random comment.
In defense of "Tubby ball," it's won everywhere it's been. I can't say the same for "Pitino ball," whatever that is... the best players in the world in the NBA couldn't figure that one out, so Pitino virutally fired himself LOL.
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Post by golfnsr on Jun 25, 2005 15:58:46 GMT -5
Tubby ball has evolved over the years, and it's not the same as it was back in 1998 or 1999 or 2000 or 2001 or 2002 or 2003 or 2004 or 2005. It wasn't Tubby Ball that won the 1998 title. It was Tubby that won that title. It was his coaching moves and adjustments that got us out of holes against Duke, Stanford, and Utah. It was his coaching that got us where we were. I'll leave it at this, because nobody can dispute this. The only response that people will have is "well, why hasn't that been duplicated," which would be a very random comment. In defense of "Tubby ball," it's won everywhere it's been. I can't say the same for "Pitino ball," whatever that is... the best players in the world in the NBA couldn't figure that one out, so Pitino virutally fired himself LOL.  |
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Post by snickram on Jun 27, 2005 5:20:25 GMT -5
Texas Blue and others The past is why UK is so highly reguarded. If you say forget it then we have to look at the present and frankly it doesn't add up over the last 7 years to make UK the number one university in Basketball. Look at the Final Fours and National Championships in the last 7 years (Tubbys Rein). Mich. St, Duke, Kansas, and NC all have more appearances (this is what we play the first half of the season for). As for losing seasons that Tubby doesn't have. I have to say that is very good, but if you look at what Tubby inherated versus Rupp and Pitino there are no comparisons. Rupp built the program from the ground up and will ALWAYS BE THE GREATEST COACH UK will ever have. As for Pitino he inherated a team that was bottoming out due to CHEATING. When Pitino left he left Tubby with a Pre Season number 1 ranked team. In my opinion the past has everything to do with UK being Number 1. That is why we have been considered the best team in basketball and it is up to whom ever that is in charge at the present to keep us NUMBER 1. IT IS ALL ABOUT NACHIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS AND FINAL FOURS. Bailey VERY GOOD POST BAILEY  |
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Post by snickram on Jun 27, 2005 5:25:45 GMT -5
Tubby ball has evolved over the years, and it's not the same as it was back in 1998 or 1999 or 2000 or 2001 or 2002 or 2003 or 2004 or 2005. It wasn't Tubby Ball that won the 1998 title. It was Tubby that won that title. It was his coaching moves and adjustments that got us out of holes against Duke, Stanford, and Utah. It was his coaching that got us where we were. I'll leave it at this, because nobody can dispute this. The only response that people will have is "well, why hasn't that been duplicated," which would be a very random comment. In defense of "Tubby ball," it's won everywhere it's been. I can't say the same for "Pitino ball," whatever that is... the best players in the world in the NBA couldn't figure that one out, so Pitino virutally fired himself LOL. KT, Tubby has gone almost 8 years without winning a national title and contrary to what some MIGHT believe Pitino handed Tubby the reigns to a VERY SOLID team in 98 that frankly knew how to get it done. This was a great team before Tubby came along, and we should be thanking Pitino once again for the team he left us with in 98. A championship team.. Now that Tubby has gone 7 years without a final four appearance it only proves this theory to be correct, unfortunetly.. In my opinion since 98 things have relatively remained the same, Tubby-Ball is just that "Tubby-Ball".. I must say this season mainly thanks to Rondo we SHOULD have a great chance of getting to the final four. I'm sorry, but to this point I'm not impressed with Tubby ball.. |
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Jun 27, 2005 10:49:18 GMT -5
Blah, blah, blah.
snick, Tubby must have been good enough to be given the reigns, don't you think? Furthermore, Pitino didn't hand Tubby anything. Wasn't his first choice the Willard guy that was at Pitt and now at Holy Cross?
And, I'm sorry. Tubby ball isn't here to impress you. That would be a lost cause, no matter what type of ball we played.
snick, I've argued with you for the last time on this thread.
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Post by TexasBlue on Jun 28, 2005 13:56:12 GMT -5
"i've argued with you for the last time on this thread" writes kt. ANOTHER ONE KT.
Just thinking, but "win it or leave" should be the battle cry by fans across the nation at every school. That's why the are paid the big bucks and are hired in the first place. What else should the schools and fans set their sights on? Should they jump up and down in excitement shouting, "we are competitive, we are competitive."
Not from where I come from.
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Post by TheSpectre on Jul 11, 2005 10:33:07 GMT -5
It's not as simple as "win it or leave". Fans are growing more impatient, myself included, because it's been 7 years since UK's last Final Four appearance. The arguments that it's tougher today than in the past, etc. don't cut it because Duke is there every other friggin' year. Same for Mich St. and now UConn. (aren't they preseason #1?) So, as fans of the # 1 program of all time, we have a reasonable expectation of similar results.
Tubby is a good man, runs a clean program, and has a good winning %, but that is not the stuff for which you hang banners...
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Post by mgentry on Jul 23, 2005 16:45:59 GMT -5
Tubby does a pretty good job of keeping us in the top 10 but he's really just treading water and not moving us up. We need someone with a more exciting style and more up tempo. But we can't let Tubby go before getting rid of Barnhart or God only knows who he would bring in.
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Post by 7andcounting on Jul 23, 2005 19:37:40 GMT -5
Tubby does a pretty good job of keeping us in the top 10 but he's really just treading water and not moving us up. We need someone with a more exciting style and more up tempo. But we can't let Tubby go before getting rid of Barnhart or God only knows who he would bring in. good 1st post megntry , nice to have u a board wildcat Maniacs  |
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