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Post by Bailey on Aug 19, 2005 16:45:16 GMT -5
We can find reason to complain about recruiting every year but I ask you to evaluate our up coming juniors and seniors. These classes have had ample time to learn Tubby's system.
How do you feel about:
Stockton
Sparks
Thomas
Perry
Woo
Shag
Do you feel that any of these have been wasted scholarships and bad judgments on Tubby's behalf?
Bailey
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Aug 19, 2005 17:38:19 GMT -5
Let's also take into account Kaz and Cote as part of these classes.
I think Tubby's done a fabulous job with these classes. Shag and Woo were late replacements because Marquis Estill didn't return for the 2004 season. You can't fault Tubby with these picks. Shag was a top 60 recruit, BTW.
Perry and Thomas should be serviceable. These guys will both show they can play. They are in the same place that Daniels was as a junior. Tayshaun had just left, and people questioned Daniels. Daniels did a fine job replacing Tay. Perry and Thomas should step in for Chuck and Kaz to a lesser extent.
Brandon Stockton was Mr. Basketball for the home state. Can't really fault that one either. And, Sparks has proven he's a scholarship-level player.
Tubby's recruiting was fine IMO for the 2002 and 2003 classes. Hindsight is always 20-20, and I choose to judge these guys after they'd exhausted their eligibility, instead of talking them down when they've still got one or two years to prove their worth in this program. Most players seem to make their biggest jump in Tubby's system from their sophomore to junior seasons anyway (Prince, Daniels, Fitch, etc.).
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Post by golfnsr on Aug 19, 2005 18:43:45 GMT -5
kt, now let's think about some of your thoughts and comments on Tubby's Recruiting. Cote - never matured into any position and left, so how can one say that he was a good recruit.? Shag and Woo - you mention that they were late replacements for Estill - Don't you think that Tubby knew Estill was leaving and had plenty of time to get a good big man to a Program like Kentucky instead of 2 "projects" like Shag and Woo?? Stockton - you mention that he was Kentucky Mr Basketball - does that title make him qualified to be a good recruit for Kentucky? - some have mentioned that Tubby isn't going on ratings for Porter but instead on having a good sense on Porter's ability - If that is Tubby's style, there is NO WAY he should have thought Stockton, with his limited abilities could compete and help the Cats. Sparks - Tubby didn't recruit him and Western did. Thomas and Perry - If they are good recruits, they are either LOST in Tubby Ball and the way they have been used in games or they have not been really top recruits. I would have to give Tubby a C- in recruiting for 2002 and 2003 when he has a product like the University of Kentucky to sell. I also think that while the class of 2004 was a top rated one, Tubby was somewhat fortunate to get Rondo, Crawford and Morris. - When Pitino kept recruiting Sebastian Telfair, Rondo sort of fell into our lap. The Rondo signing then convinced Crawford to change his verbal from Michigan to the Cats and then Rondo and Crawford convinced Morris to opt for the Cats over Georgia Tech at the Mickey D's game. In other words, no Rondo then probably no Crawford and no Morris. IMO, Tubby is underachieving in recruiting.
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Post by BlueBaron on Aug 19, 2005 20:36:22 GMT -5
I T totally agree with golf. When it comes to recruiting Tubby sucks at best...
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Post by Administrator on Aug 19, 2005 20:52:11 GMT -5
I still believe Cote leaving was 'implied' to give Morris room. I know no one will admit that, much less put it out for the world to see but I believe what I believe.
I personally believe recruiting has been 'tolerable' at best with exception of the Camara class and last years. I credit Rigot in many ways though. Every coach has strengths and weaknesses. I'm sure many recruits like Tubby once they get to know him but Rigot was brought in for almost one reason only......to help improve recruiting.
That is my belief until proven otherwise.....and it's not a 'hate' post against our coach. ;D
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Post by golfnsr on Aug 19, 2005 20:59:52 GMT -5
I still believe Cote leaving was 'implied' to give Morris room. I know no one will admit that, much less put it out for the world to see but I believe what I believe. I personally believe recruiting has been 'tolerable' at best with exception of the Camara class and last years. I credit Rigot in many ways though. Every coach has strengths and weaknesses. I'm sure many recruits like Tubby once they get to know him but Rigot was brought in for almost one reason only......to help improve recruiting. That is my belief until proven otherwise.....and it's not a 'hate' post against our coach. ;D Spam, you can criticize or question Tubby without hating him!!
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Post by 7andcounting on Aug 19, 2005 21:26:29 GMT -5
I WILL SAY IF SHAG , WOO , THOMAS ARE ALSO WASTED SCHOLLY IN A YEAR OR 2
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Post by TexasBlue on Aug 19, 2005 21:34:10 GMT -5
Not a knock on Tubby, but I agree with Golf and SPAM here. Looking down the list of the six, five have not been big contributors as yet. Shag could be great, but has not been able to stay on the floor long enough to be major. Thomas is the other that I believe could turn out as a contributor, but has yet to all that much. Health reasons last year, but is yet to come out big time.
Sparks is the only one to play major minutes.
That's all I am basing my opinion on, have they been big big players yet, 5 out of 6 have not.
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Post by kj on Aug 19, 2005 21:50:18 GMT -5
C to C-. Not the best recruiting at all with the product Tubby has available to sell. I would also include this year's class in the adequate category. 3 out of 4 recruiting classes being adequate at UK is not getting it done. If the Tubby coaching is as great as we are led to believe by many that only leaves one other place to look for our lack of FF's. Lack of big time talent!!!!!!!
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Post by 7andcounting on Aug 19, 2005 21:55:37 GMT -5
well i think we'd all be happy if we can land wright and thompson
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Post by Bailey on Aug 19, 2005 22:43:17 GMT -5
I thought that this would be an interesting topic considering that Tubby seems to recruit the four year players. There is nothing wrong with that but it is their time to take over and lead us to the Final Four. I am not sure that these 6 guys are capable of doing that. I feel that: Stockton will not contribute Sparks is a definite contributor Thomas is questionable at best Perry is questionable at best Woo is questionable at best Shag has potential to contribute I did not take into consideration Cote and Az because they are not here and cannot help. Also, Tubby knew that there was a very good chance Estel would not be back since he had made that statement at the end of his last year of play. After grading these players I feel that these 2 recruiting classes are very weak. We need to do better. Bailey
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Post by kentubbybasketball on Aug 19, 2005 23:13:27 GMT -5
kt, now let's think about some of your thoughts and comments on Tubby's Recruiting. Cote - never matured into any position and left, so how can one say that he was a good recruit.? Shag and Woo - you mention that they were late replacements for Estill - Don't you think that Tubby knew Estill was leaving and had plenty of time to get a good big man to a Program like Kentucky instead of 2 "projects" like Shag and Woo?? Stockton - you mention that he was Kentucky Mr Basketball - does that title make him qualified to be a good recruit for Kentucky? - some have mentioned that Tubby isn't going on ratings for Porter but instead on having a good sense on Porter's ability - If that is Tubby's style, there is NO WAY he should have thought Stockton, with his limited abilities could compete and help the Cats. Sparks - Tubby didn't recruit him and Western did. Thomas and Perry - If they are good recruits, they are either LOST in Tubby Ball and the way they have been used in games or they have not been really top recruits. I would have to give Tubby a C- in recruiting for 2002 and 2003 when he has a product like the University of Kentucky to sell. I also think that while the class of 2004 was a top rated one, Tubby was somewhat fortunate to get Rondo, Crawford and Morris. - When Pitino kept recruiting Sebastian Telfair, Rondo sort of fell into our lap. The Rondo signing then convinced Crawford to change his verbal from Michigan to the Cats and then Rondo and Crawford convinced Morris to opt for the Cats over Georgia Tech at the Mickey D's game. In other words, no Rondo then probably no Crawford and no Morris. IMO, Tubby is underachieving in recruiting. Like Spam said you believe what you want to believe, and I'll continue to do the same. Nothing but speculation on both parts. Many of these players have had to play behind experienced players already. Thomas and Perry weren't gonna shine playing behind Hayes. Hayes only left 10 minutes at the PF spot for these two subs. Stockton has just been swamped at the guard spot. First it was Fitch and Hawkins. Now, it's Rondo, Bradley, and Sparks. Shag and Woo were supposed to be projects. Everybody was warned before they came enrolled as freshmen. I've been impressed with they're improvement in their second year. I'd be quick to make judgement, because Shag made a few posters look foolish last season. Yeah, I'm talking those of you who said he'd never do anything worthwhile here. You know who you are.
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Post by Administrator on Aug 20, 2005 2:39:06 GMT -5
I still believe Cote leaving was 'implied' to give Morris room. I know no one will admit that, much less put it out for the world to see but I believe what I believe. I personally believe recruiting has been 'tolerable' at best with exception of the Camara class and last years. I credit Rigot in many ways though. Every coach has strengths and weaknesses. I'm sure many recruits like Tubby once they get to know him but Rigot was brought in for almost one reason only......to help improve recruiting. That is my belief until proven otherwise.....and it's not a 'hate' post against our coach. ;D Spam, you can criticize or question Tubby without hating him!! Oh I know that brother. That's why I inserted the grin smilie.
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Post by Administrator on Aug 20, 2005 2:41:00 GMT -5
I thought that this would be an interesting topic considering that Tubby seems to recruit the four year players. There is nothing wrong with Very true Bailey. Very true. I always liked a mixture of highly ranked players with some very solid players. All of whom love playing for the blue and white but also know their roles and just get the job done.
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Post by golfnsr on Aug 20, 2005 8:06:51 GMT -5
kt, now let's think about some of your thoughts and comments on Tubby's Recruiting. Cote - never matured into any position and left, so how can one say that he was a good recruit.? Shag and Woo - you mention that they were late replacements for Estill - Don't you think that Tubby knew Estill was leaving and had plenty of time to get a good big man to a Program like Kentucky instead of 2 "projects" like Shag and Woo?? Stockton - you mention that he was Kentucky Mr Basketball - does that title make him qualified to be a good recruit for Kentucky? - some have mentioned that Tubby isn't going on ratings for Porter but instead on having a good sense on Porter's ability - If that is Tubby's style, there is NO WAY he should have thought Stockton, with his limited abilities could compete and help the Cats. Sparks - Tubby didn't recruit him and Western did. Thomas and Perry - If they are good recruits, they are either LOST in Tubby Ball and the way they have been used in games or they have not been really top recruits. I would have to give Tubby a C- in recruiting for 2002 and 2003 when he has a product like the University of Kentucky to sell. I also think that while the class of 2004 was a top rated one, Tubby was somewhat fortunate to get Rondo, Crawford and Morris. - When Pitino kept recruiting Sebastian Telfair, Rondo sort of fell into our lap. The Rondo signing then convinced Crawford to change his verbal from Michigan to the Cats and then Rondo and Crawford convinced Morris to opt for the Cats over Georgia Tech at the Mickey D's game. In other words, no Rondo then probably no Crawford and no Morris. IMO, Tubby is underachieving in recruiting. Like Spam said you believe what you want to believe, and I'll continue to do the same. Nothing but speculation on both parts. Many of these players have had to play behind experienced players already. Thomas and Perry weren't gonna shine playing behind Hayes. Hayes only left 10 minutes at the PF spot for these two subs. Stockton has just been swamped at the guard spot. First it was Fitch and Hawkins. Now, it's Rondo, Bradley, and Sparks. Shag and Woo were supposed to be projects. Everybody was warned before they came enrolled as freshmen. I've been impressed with they're improvement in their second year. I'd be quick to make judgement, because Shag made a few posters look foolish last season. Yeah, I'm talking those of you who said he'd never do anything worthwhile here. You know who you are. kt, I'd rate your response as "D".
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