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Post by kentubbybasketball on Jul 3, 2004 23:45:57 GMT -5
Mention with Rupp is laughable imo. Who's laughing? I certainly ain't. Tubby can coach, otherwise, he wouldn't have been here for this long. There's more to coaching than getting to the final four, kj. Take into account the positive impact he's had on guys like Fitch and Daniels and turning them around. Think of the humanitarian award the national guard gave him. Are those things laughable to you. Or would you rather have a coach that goes to the final four every year, but does nothing to better the school's rep. Winning ain't everything.
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Post by kj on Jul 3, 2004 23:53:01 GMT -5
Does a coach get paid to win basketball games or to be an Eagle scout? Rest my case. Being a good human being is nice but let Tubby go 10-18 and see what happens.
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Post by snickram on Jul 4, 2004 0:03:51 GMT -5
Equal Pee? You might look at the record before showing you know not what of you speak. RP- 6 years NCAA eligible, 5 Elite Eights, 3 FF's, 1 championship, 1 runnerup. No way Tubby measures up to that. 7 years 1FF, 1 championship, 3 Elite Eights, 2 sweet 16's, 2 2nd round flameouts. No way equal or even close. I once again agree with you KJ, Tubby's record is not that impressive to me atleast when it counts. If you compare Tubby with Pitino up to this point, well there simply is NO comparison. Pitino while at UK has accomplished ALLOT more!!! No I'm NOT a Pitino nut, but I tend to look at the facts. Tubby to this point has not impressed me, yes he seems to have great character / loyalty which is hard to find in coach, however since the 98 season UK basketball (in my opinion) has been boring. My verdict is still out on Tubby because prior to this season his recruiting has stunk!! Other then Prince and Bogans, Tubby's recruiting has been average at best and he's proven over the past 6 years that average recruiting gets you no where come March when it trully counts. Now that Tubby has a bench and talent I'm curious to see if he knows how to coach? We'll see...
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Post by kentruppybasketball on Jul 4, 2004 0:04:57 GMT -5
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Post by snickram on Jul 4, 2004 0:10:10 GMT -5
Who's laughing? I certainly ain't. Tubby can coach, otherwise, he wouldn't have been here for this long. There's more to coaching than getting to the final four, kj. Take into account the positive impact he's had on guys like Fitch and Daniels and turning them around. Think of the humanitarian award the national guard gave him. Are those things laughable to you. Or would you rather have a coach that goes to the final four every year, but does nothing to better the school's rep. Winning ain't everything. I'm laughing, Tubby is NOT in the same category as Rupp. He has a long long long way to go!!! Hmmm, let me think.. A humanitarian award every year or a final four appearance every year? That's a very tough choice, but I lean to the final four.. Yes, Tubby did a good job of making Danials and Fitch decent players, but once again these type players fail to perform when it counts. This is why Tubby has failed so often come March.. To Tubby's credit he too apparently realized the need for more talented players, because this incoming recruiting class is a good one!!! From what I hear Tubby the person is a great guy, but Tubby the coach in my opinion has allot to prove.
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Post by snickram on Jul 4, 2004 0:13:18 GMT -5
Does a coach get paid to win basketball games or to be an Eagle scout? Rest my case. Being a good human being is nice but let Tubby go 10-18 and see what happens. Apperently an Eagle Scout? Atleast the Tubster is still getting paid, isn't he?
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Post by BlueCat on Jul 4, 2004 9:01:50 GMT -5
No Tubby is not getting paid to be an eagle scout. He's getting paid to coach basketball among other things. He is getting paid 2.4 million a year partially because of who the man is and not the coach. Tubby the man has brought back some respect that has been gone for a long time. Even when Rick was at UK we were not thought very higly of in the fan arena. Maybe it's just me, but I see us getting much more respect, and a broadened fan base because of Tubby. That means revenue. Yes Tubby will have to keep winning, and needs to come up with a final four season, soon or the band wagon fan base will deteriorate. I think he is aware of that, and that's why we have this class coming in.
Tubby the man good for UK Tubby the coach good for UK
There is still room on the band wagon, and there will be many more to jump on after the next two to three seasons.
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Post by Seattlekat on Jul 4, 2004 9:08:23 GMT -5
BC - It doesn't make any difference what Coach Smith accomplishes at UK - personally - I hope he takes the dUKe job if offered. Coaching at UK is not worth the money for Tubby!! If he left - THEN - he would be appreciated. I for one - I'm so tired of the continual "tirade" against "anything" Tubby. Nothing is sacred - not even berating of his family. I am totally sick of it ALL
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Post by BlueCat on Jul 4, 2004 9:14:40 GMT -5
Many others feel the same way that you do SK. I can also remember when Joe Hall, Eddie Sutton, and Rick Pitino were here we had the same thing. We just didn't have the internet community that we have now. I'd almost be willing to bet that some of the same posters that are berating Tubby are the same one's that flooded the call in shows when the other guys were here. Some people just never get it, and never will.
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Post by kj on Jul 4, 2004 9:25:42 GMT -5
Many others feel the same way that you do SK. I can also remember when Joe Hall, Eddie Sutton, and Rick Pitino were here we had the same thing. We just didn't have the internet community that we have now. I'd almost be willing to bet that some of the same posters that are berating Tubby are the same one's that flooded the call in shows when the other guys were here. Some people just never get it, and never will. I take it that this means you are a Tubby fan or a complete moron. Tubby takes no more than anybody else; he had the misfortune to follow Pitino after 6 golden years and then lucked out and won a national championship his first year. That gave the fanbase false hopes that the golden years were to continue. Tubby has averaged a sweet 16 for the 6 years that have followed 98. About what he has done his entire career. That may give some the idea that he is to be the greatest ever at UK. It doesn't elevate him above anybody in my mind's eye. Every coach we have had has won his 20 games and gone to thew NCAA's. If you can't do better than that here, something is wrong.
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Post by Seattlekat on Jul 4, 2004 9:30:45 GMT -5
Yep - fans complained about them ALL When RP was coaching at UK - fans didn't like his accent, didn't like him having other intersts; ie: restaurant, horses., fans didn't like his wife, and on and on!!!! There were numerous complaints in call-in shows and in "letters to the editor." Folks were "totally not pleased" - because "RP ain't from around here." A very small minority of UK fans seem to "never ever be happy" until "they get their wish" - then they are "more miserable than before." Every UK Coach - from Rupp to Tubby - were "slammed" by a small minority - some are NEVER satisfied!!!! I guess if UK went 10-20, 10-22 - folks would eventually appreciate what they have - the absolute "BEST" in UK basketball!!! No wonder the media makes "fun" of UK fans!!!!!!! Most of the time - we deserve it
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Post by railroadcat on Jul 4, 2004 10:30:25 GMT -5
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Post by kj on Jul 4, 2004 10:49:42 GMT -5
I can give you Tubby did an excellent job in 98. However, to say luck was not involved may be a push. If not, why is it we have done no better since then? 1 FF in 13 years is certainly not a pattern. Bad luck may be involved here.
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Post by catmandoo on Jul 4, 2004 11:31:39 GMT -5
Find it humorous anybody here would project Tubby as the all time best coach at UK with what he has done up til now. Caught lightning in a bottle one year and after that has been basically a sweet 16 coach just like he has been all his career. Good coach yes, HOF'er looooonnnnggggg way to go. Mention with Rupp is laughable imo. rupp went 10 years before he won his first ncaa tournament and that was back when the competition was nothing. here is a list of the winners. granted rupp was a great coach but to say Tubby can't be better is very short sighted and to belittle him and call yourself a kentucky fan just shows your hate for him as a individual. ncaa champs
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Post by kj on Jul 4, 2004 12:03:35 GMT -5
Hate is a very strong word, just say Tubby does not give me that warm glowing feeling that he seems to give you Cat. Anything is possible in the world of sports. Going by his past results I would say Tubby will not surpass Rupp nor Pitino at UK. Hall had 3 FF's so he may not surpass him either unless he gets to stay 20 years. ;D
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