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Post by Bailey on Mar 28, 2005 11:46:07 GMT -5
Do you think that Rick Pitino's taking over of a UL team that was in shambles and putting them in the Final Four in four short years has raised the bar of expectations on Tubby?
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Post by snickram on Mar 28, 2005 12:19:39 GMT -5
You know my feelings about this, I think Pitino is currently the best coach in college basketball so to compare him with Tubby is unfair.. I don't think anyone prepares & motivates a team better then Pitino and the proof will come Saturday when unfavored Louisville beats Illinois.. I really like Louisville in this one, they play so relaxed / poised which is a characteristic of a Pitino coached team..
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Post by TheSpectre on Mar 28, 2005 12:34:33 GMT -5
Yes. We are in a drought and the Cats have to get back to a Final Four, like yesterday. UNC has been to the Final Four since 98(in 2000), seen their program in ruins(8-20 season), and they are back. 4 seasons ago, U of L was 12-20 and they are in the FF. It's more frustrating because the Cats had several opportunities to put MSU away in the 1st OT and didn't.
Tubby wins. He is a great coach, no doubt. But there will be a cloud hanging until he makes a Final Four with a team he built. His winning % at UK is almost identical to Pitino's, he just has to close the deal.
Pitino at UK: 219-50 Tubby at UK: 219-58 Pitino in NCAA at UK: 22-5 Tubby in NCAA at UK: 21-7
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Post by UKFAN on Mar 28, 2005 14:12:13 GMT -5
No doubt Pitino knows how to get a team on track. He has to be the best rebuilder in college basketball. As a team, UL is playing really well. They believe in Pitino's system and have an excellent chance in winning it all. Ill and UNC are very good, but UL is playing mentally tough now. It is going to be an exciting final four. Just sorry UK isn't there. Would of loved to seen an UK/UL final.
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Post by BigBlue1989 on Mar 28, 2005 14:17:27 GMT -5
I think it's great that Tubby has this talent group of All-American players to work with. However, I have some concerns as well.
- Tubby doesn't have anyone to teach offense, so the bulk of the scoring has to come off the defense. Sure, what player WOULDN'T want to be known as being great defensively? But, if on the offense side you're not getting good looks at the basket, then why would you want to play under Tubby if you're a "shooter" by nature?
- If Tubby doesn't get this offense turned around, I think that All-American players that can shoot the ball are going to take notice and it will be extremely difficult for Tubby to recruit them. Actually, we're already seeing effects of this, but it could get worse. Tubby doesn't have the ability to make All-Americans out of 'project' players, like Rick Pitino does.
- Tubby does a poor job at recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of his players in-game. I think this is a result of Tubby being a 80/20 defensive coach (that's how I see the percentages stacking up). In-game, if his players aren't playing great defense, they come out. It doesn't seem to dawn on Tubby that those players might be what he needs to score points and put the opponent away. This, along with the offense being totally stagnant under Tubby, is why the Cats don't put quality opponents away.
- Tubby isn't a very good recruiter. When he NEEDS a front-court guy of Hayes calibre (hope the hell the player would be a better shooter than Hayes), he goes out and recruits THREE All-American guards. So, not only does this leave the Cats without a quality front-court guy next season, it has already resulted in conflictions over playing time amongst the All-American freshman. Not good.
- Tubby is not very good at developing players. His string of transfers and problem players ought to be a clue. EVERYONE knows that Pitino, Few, Altman and other All-American coaches would get far more out of this crop of All-American freshman than Tubby did and will. Do you think that Morris would have been so complacent this season under Pitino? I doubt it. What about Rondo? Would Rondo have been so ball-hogging and out-of-control EVERY time he directs the offense? I doubt it. I will bet that there would have never been an issue with Crawford. Why? Because Pitino "knows" his players. He knows how to motivate them, how to develop them and how to insert/remove them in the scheme of a game.
This season, had Patrick not gotten hot in certain games, the Cats would probably once again ended up with 9-11 losses (if not more, considering how beating quality opponents tends to put your team on a winning streak). I do wonder at times what made UK go after Tubby as coach. It's really hard to say how this team would have played under another coach through the season and the tournaments, and obviously the team would have had different (probably better) players, but still....
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 28, 2005 15:57:40 GMT -5
BigBlue1989, good, thought provoking recap. Tubby is the only one that can bring about a change in the Cats problems on offense, motivation, shooting etc. - either he gets ome help ( which I don't see) or he leaves for another opportunity like the pros and Kentucky has an OPPORTUNITY in bringing in a new Coach. Tubby is at Kentucky as long as he desires by the merits of being a class gentleman, running a clean program and the good winning % every season ( Trojan Horse for Final fours and Championships) However, if he stays in place, Kentucky will just be one of the Top 10 Teams with probably no additional Championships instead of the Premier Program in the Country that it once was.
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Post by TexasBlue on Mar 28, 2005 16:02:13 GMT -5
Exactly, I thought about it and it provoked me.
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Post by TexasBlue on Mar 28, 2005 16:06:09 GMT -5
I should not have bothered getting back on here this afternoon. Go right down the threads. Every dam one of them turns into Tubby sucks and team is terrible, Tubby does not know how to recruit, etc., ect., etc...
Hell, I could read a lot more positive things on the U of L board about UK than here.
You guys take it easy no and have a good offseason.
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Post by CatDaddy on Mar 28, 2005 16:11:21 GMT -5
I should not have bothered getting back on here this afternoon. Go right down the threads. Every dam one of them turns into Tubby sucks and team is terrible, Tubby does not know how to recruit, etc., ect., etc... Hell, I could read a lot more positive things on the U of L board about UK than here. You guys take it easy no and have a good offseason. Ditto, I'm with you.... Keep ;D
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Post by TexasBlue on Mar 28, 2005 16:12:20 GMT -5
BigBlue1989, good, thought provoking recap. Tubby is the only one that can bring about a change in the Cats problems on offense, motivation, shooting etc. - either he gets ome help ( which I don't see) or he leaves for another opportunity like the pros and Kentucky has an OPPORTUNITY in bringing in a new Coach. Tubby is at Kentucky as long as he desires by the merits of being a class gentleman, running a clean program and the good winning % every season ( Trojan Horse for Final fours and Championships) However, if he stays in place, Kentucky will just be one of the Top 10 Teams with probably no additional Championships instead of the Premier Program in the Country that it once was. Golf, I posted all my junk before I could read yours, your post is a well thought out and good written opinion. My problem is that this same opinion will appare on every thread that ever gets started here from here on out. Go to the top of this board and go down and read every thread and come back and tell us how many go to exactly this. That is my problem. I say to the multitudes who have the same opinion, for gosh sacks, say it and get over it, you don't have to say on EVERY THREAD EVERY DAY. I respect you opinion, but I don't have to read it 50 times a day to understand it.
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Post by BlueCat on Mar 28, 2005 18:02:31 GMT -5
What is this a Rick Pitino love fest? For those of you that want to keep licking Rick's boots here is a link.
mb6.scout.com/blouisville
This is a UK message board started to promote, and support UK athletics not Rick Pitino
Rick Pitino didn't give a Rats butt about Kentucky or you. Why would you care to keep promoting him as if UK would ever hire him back.
He's a great coach. I think most would admit that, but what he is not is a Wildcat!
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 28, 2005 18:20:34 GMT -5
Golf, I posted all my junk before I could read yours, your post is a well thought out and good written opinion. My problem is that this same opinion will appare on every thread that ever gets started here from here on out. Go to the top of this board and go down and read every thread and come back and tell us how many go to exactly this. That is my problem. I say to the multitudes who have the same opinion, for gosh sacks, say it and get over it, you don't have to say on EVERY THREAD EVERY DAY. I respect you opinion, but I don't have to read it 50 times a day to understand it. TB, enough said. ;D
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 28, 2005 18:23:20 GMT -5
What is this a Rick Pitino love fest? For those of you that want to keep licking Rick's boots here is a link.
mb6.scout.com/blouisville
This is a UK message board started to promote, and support UK athletics not Rick Pitino
Rick Pitino didn't give a Rats butt about Kentucky or you. Why would you care to keep promoting him as if UK would ever hire him back.
He's a great coach. I think most would admit that, but what he is not is a Wildcat! BC, are you stereotyping all of those that have trouble with some of Tubby's coaching is a Pitino Fan? If so, I really think that is simplifying it too much and basically an incorrect assumption.
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Post by BlueCat on Mar 28, 2005 18:47:29 GMT -5
golfncat, This thread was started with the intent of promoting Rick Pitino. That's what I'm talking about. I don't really care if you like Tubby or not. My comment had NOTHING to do with Tubby. I'm just tired of hearing Rick this and Rick that. It would be one thing if Pitino love the University of Kentucky, but he bolted for the NBA, and has since made too many derrogatory remarks about UK fans, and the city of Lexington. The Rick love belongs on another board IMO.
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Post by golfnsr on Mar 28, 2005 19:19:04 GMT -5
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