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Post by kj on Mar 4, 2003 11:29:27 GMT -5
The thing that bothers me is that now that UK is playing well, the detractors' criticism is "why didn't we do this earlier?" Seems like Tubby's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If the team plays poorly, people criticize him. If they play well, they criticize him for not having them do it before! What this boils down to is the fact that REGARDLESS of how well or poorly the team plays, people are going to criticize Tubby. At some point, this has to just be considered a deep-seated bias. Give the guy a break!! Why didn't we do this earlier? The talent was better last year yet we did not change the system to fit the talent. Hardheaded? I would say up til now that Tubby has been hardheaded. Even the most fervent Tubby worshippers will have to admit the style has changed both offensively and defensively this year and for the better I am glad to say. A coach recruits to his system and if he doesn't have the correct pieces he adapts. i always heard in the past that the mark of a good coach is that he can win a game being played with either team if the talent is comparable. Up til this point that hasn't been evident with Tubby for several years. Some will bitch about Tubby no matter the results. Using your word TR, that's absurd. Many of us haven't had a lot to say for quite awhile other than good job Tubby. Difference is I don't expect this level to be a norm for Tubby but I see no reason UK shouldn't be in the top 10 every year and in the top 5 most years without major injuries. Sweet 16's are not that level and titles in a SEC, a league with 1 FF participant in the last four years are not really that impressive.
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Post by TedRay80 on Mar 4, 2003 16:30:47 GMT -5
The flames next to this topic appear to be for more than one reason. Perhaps it should be locked before it becomes any more uncivil. Maybe we could start another forum for "flame wars" where people can make all their personal attacks against others so they don't have to be viewed here.
It'll be fun. We can accuse people of not being UK fans and take votes to decide who really is a fan and who's not--since we're all trying to impress each other about what big fans we all are. We can decide which people are close-minded, which ones are racist, which ones probably fold their toilet paper instead of crumpling it or squeeze their toothpaste from the middle instead of the end. Those who want to talk about UK basketball can just stay on this part of the board and not worry about all the flying flames.
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Post by ChrisR155 on Mar 4, 2003 17:47:00 GMT -5
Some will bitch about Tubby no matter the results. Using your word TR, that's absurd. Many of us haven't had a lot to say for quite awhile other than good job Tubby. Difference is I don't expect this level to be a norm for Tubby but I see no reason UK shouldn't be in the top 10 every year and in the top 5 most years without major injuries. Sweet 16's are not that level and titles in a SEC, a league with 1 FF participant in the last four years are not really that impressive. First of all, you admit here that Tubby is doing a good job...that is good to hear that you will concede to him doing a good job. But, after you congradulate him, you rip him up by making a speculation that he will not continue to coach at the same level. The other thing I wanted to comment about, is that you say that "Sweet 16's are not that level and titles in a SEC, a league with 1 FF participant in the last four years are not really that impressive." If you want to look to Rick Pitino's career statistics at UK, How many Final Four appearances did Ricky P have before the 1996 season? If my sources are correct, then he only had 1 FF appearance, and that is a combination of more than 4 seasons. Apparently that isn't very impressive...I guess we shouldn't expect him to coach very well anymore either.
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Post by UKFAN on Mar 4, 2003 17:58:51 GMT -5
kj, Tubby will be a great coach as long as he has Rigot as his assistant. Once Rigot leaves, we go back to the old.
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Post by kj on Mar 4, 2003 18:46:15 GMT -5
Chris, you need to look at Pitino history a little more accurately. 6 years of eligibility-3 FF's, 2 Elite Eights, and one round of 32 upset vs Marquette. Tubby will have to win another this year to beat that record imo.
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Post by KY Kid on Mar 4, 2003 19:48:17 GMT -5
Truth be known. UKFAN finally says it, granted indirectly. Just say it directly. Scott Rigot is coaching this team. You've hinted and hinted. Now you just indirectly said it.
Do you believe Scott Rigot is basically coaching this team?
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Post by kj on Mar 4, 2003 19:56:48 GMT -5
Much offseason publicity that we were going to run the flex offense that Maryland runs and that Hawaii had run. Rigot enters stage left from Hawaii. Offense changes drastically for the better. Defense changes from traditional Ball line D to more pressure and playing the passing lanes. Hobbs is give complete credit for the D by Tubby. Can't say they're coaching the team but one could make a case for their input.
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Post by Tummygoat on Mar 4, 2003 20:56:19 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen you know the rules, please don't call anyone stupid or close minded on this board. We don't play police here often because we don't have to and this is first time I've had to in over 7 months. We don't need that and personal comments should stay with Private Messenging.
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Post by Tummygoat on Mar 4, 2003 20:58:39 GMT -5
btw, Coach Rigot has nothing to do with this team.
He's UK's recruiter. Don't you'd think a player would have commented on him at any point this season? They've praised Tubby, David Hobbs, and Reggie Hanson. Not once have I heard Rigot's name mentioned as a reason this team is playing better. SO where is your evidence? Speculation is just speculation and if you look back Tubby's early UK days and his entire stint and UGA and Tulsa, you would see we are playing at a very similar style and level that those teams played with.
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Post by Tummygoat on Mar 4, 2003 21:00:51 GMT -5
kj, have you watched Hawaii play? I've seen them twice this year and they play nothing like Kentucky. They are a much more transition and shoot team, whereas Kentucky is a half-court, in the middle team. Very few similarities.
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Post by kj on Mar 4, 2003 21:04:57 GMT -5
Have you looked at their record compared to last year? Not even close and from what I've read they did run the flex offense last year. Maybe they changed to suit the personnel. Bad decision looking at the record.
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Post by Tummygoat on Mar 4, 2003 22:19:08 GMT -5
They aren't that good this year because Predrag Savovic is gone. Without him last year, they would have gone no where. He WAS Hawaiii last season.
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