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Post by TedRay80 on Mar 4, 2003 23:18:57 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen you know the rules, please don't call anyone stupid or close minded on this board. We don't play police here often because we don't have to and this is first time I've had to in over 7 months. We don't need that and personal comments should stay with Private Messenging. Just to clarify here--my post was not deleted because it called anyone stupid or close-minded. It was in my post's quote from another member that those words were used. |
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Post by UKFAN on Mar 5, 2003 0:51:11 GMT -5
KY Kid, you are assuming to much. Also, never in Tubby coaching career has his team played the type of defense and transition game we are playing this year. But look, like I said, Tubby should get the credit for the type of game the team is playing. He is in charge and those in charge get the credit and the blame. Of course, I don't see too many people giving Tubby the credit for 3 straight seasons with double digit losses. I give him the credit for this season, why not you Tubby lovers give him the blame for the past 3 years of double digit losses. Come on, step up to the plate, be brave and admit the truth.
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Post by Administrator on Mar 5, 2003 1:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by Administrator on Mar 5, 2003 1:07:01 GMT -5
KY Kid, you are assuming to much. Also, never in Tubby coaching career has his team played the type of defense and transition game we are playing this year. But look, like I said, Tubby should get the credit for the type of game the team is playing. He is in charge and those in charge get the credit and the blame. Of course, I don't see too many people giving Tubby the credit for 3 straight seasons with double digit losses. I give him the credit for this season, why not you Tubby lovers give him the blame for the past 3 years of double digit losses. Come on, step up to the plate, be brave and admit the truth. Up to the plate I go. Win or lose.....this is a TEAM game and many factors are involved. Each and every spoke in the wheel has a role to play. A wheel is broken even if only a few 'spokes' aren't performing like they should. Now that's an oversimplified statement but accurate IMO. |
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Post by TedRay80 on Mar 5, 2003 8:49:46 GMT -5
KY Kid, you are assuming to much. Also, never in Tubby coaching career has his team played the type of defense and transition game we are playing this year. But look, like I said, Tubby should get the credit for the type of game the team is playing. He is in charge and those in charge get the credit and the blame. Of course, I don't see too many people giving Tubby the credit for 3 straight seasons with double digit losses. I give him the credit for this season, why not you Tubby lovers give him the blame for the past 3 years of double digit losses. Come on, step up to the plate, be brave and admit the truth. That's easy enough. I give coach Smith some of the credit for all of his six seasons. The bad isn't all his fault, and the good isn't all his doing, either. My point would be that when you come right down to it and look at the WHOLE picture, UK's performance over the past 6 years, if not the best in the nation (though that would be arguable if they go to the Final Four or better this year), has been among the best. Our 6-year performance certainly isn't something to complain about, let's put it that way. If these past 6 years have been bad for UK, only Duke really has reason to be happy--and they would have a dreaded double-digit loss season this year if they actually played any tough non-conference opponents (or played in the SEC). |
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Post by Seattlekat on Mar 5, 2003 10:41:30 GMT -5
On and on and ON !! I have never referred to myself as a "Tubby lover" or "Tubby hater" or whatever "terms" "we" are using now!! I am a UK Basketball fan!! I am not going to show stats or use "quotes" - because it makes NO difference. All of that HAS been shown before. These "discussions" have gone on for 6 years and they will continue!! First, we don't win by 20 anymore - we are failing in the 2nd half - our intensity seems to NOW be waning - on and on and on!!! Rigots the man, Rigots not the man, Hobb's can't coach, Hobbs is a great Coach - it never ends!! To the point - of - we WON the SEC Regular-Season Championship - out right!!! We have only lost 3 games!! We have the longest winning streak in the Land!! We are # 2. We will get a # 1 seed at the "Dance" - WHAT "on Earth" do you want? Is the season a "bust" if we don't win the NC? I don't think so!! Think what you may - UK has had 100 "great" seasons - yes - "great" seasons!!! Whether 13-19 or 35-4!! Whether NCAA Champs, NIT Champs, or participants!! We didn't get to be the "winningest" BB Program in America by "playing bad" or "having bad coaches"!!! Just a reminder - we are the UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY!! Remember??
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Post by ForeverBigBlue on Mar 5, 2003 10:59:41 GMT -5
FANTASTIC POST, Seattlekat!
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Post by kj on Mar 5, 2003 11:15:05 GMT -5
An excellent season thus far, I think we all appreciate that fact. Kudos to the players and the coaching staff; they have excelled this year.  |
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Post by UKFAN on Mar 5, 2003 11:43:52 GMT -5
Spam ,you are right about that wheel. But when one or more of those spokes break, the driver of the wagon had better take some action right away to make sure he gets back to the barn. I think Tubby really screwed up last year in the way he handled things. His communication with the team was very poor. Good example is Fitch. Fitch had some problems, Tubby just added to them by not taking corrective action. And if you call corrective action waiting tell halftime to tell him the team that he wasn't going to play that game, then I am happy I am not on the same page as you.
Also, if a coach wanted a player to play from him and he didn't come in my home and have a meal with my family, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. Isn't Tubby's players a part of his extended family. Tubby should of been doing his job instead of halfway around the world.
I am an advid UK fan and I also love the game of basketball. I am extremely pleased that UK is having an excellent season. I think running the table in the SEC is something special and if the coaching staff and players do the right things, that will happen. IMO, I think we have a great opportunity to win it all this year.
Also, one more note. If Tubby lets his son walk on at UK next year, he will be a fool. It just wouldn't be worth it. Let him attend some small school in Kentucky. He and his family, especially Brian, would have a whole lot more fun.
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Post by ChrisR155 on Mar 5, 2003 14:43:19 GMT -5
Everybody seems to want to be the UK basketball head coach. That is what it appears like to me, as you post on message boards what Tubby "should do" or what Tubby "shouldn't do." How many of us have any coaching experience, aside from teaching our little brother how to shoot a layup, or coaching a church basketball team.
Nobody is willing to just say, Good Job Tubby...Keep doing what you are doing, Keep Coaching like you are Coaching. Rather, we say, Tubby, you are one of the best coaches in the game of basketball, but here is what I know that you are doing wrong. None of us really know enough to tell him how to coach. Anything you mention on this board about what to do, I bet he and his staff have already thought about, talked about, practiced etc...
UKfan, you mention your concern for Tubby letting his son walk on the team. I highly doubt that is going to happen...I haven't heard anything anywhere about him coming here. I have a friend that has a connection with Tubby, and apparently the Smith's don't want brian to come to UK, especially because of the way the fans unfairly(I say unfairly from my own opinion) treated Saul. From what I have heard, Michigan State is recruiting Brian, so that is a possibility for him.
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Post by TedRay80 on Mar 5, 2003 17:01:36 GMT -5
Rather, we say, Tubby, you are one of the best coaches in the game of basketball, but here is what I know that you are doing wrong. None of us really know enough to tell him how to coach. Great point, and very sadly true. There are hundreds of thousands of people in Kentucky who believe they know more than Tubby Smith about the X's and O's of basketball, recruiting, and how to handle college athletes. In actuality, there is probably no one in this state who knows X's and O's better, 1 person who knows recruiting better (and he's recruiting people to U of L), and a very small handful of people who know how to handle college athletes better. I don't believe anyone in the state is as good with all these traits as Tubby Smith is (Pitino pending). The callers to call-in shows and posters to messageboards who offer Tubby advice remind me of George on the episode of Seinfeld where he offers all his brilliant advice about Cheers to Norm. Laughable. Sure, it's fine to talk about our own great ideas about how this all should be done--just as long as we don't get silly and start actually believing that our ideas are better than the expert's. Let's face it, if anyone on this messageboard were to become UK's head coach, we'd probably start witnessing losing seasons immediately. Sometimes people need to be reminded of that, it seems. |
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Post by KY Kid on Mar 5, 2003 18:06:30 GMT -5
First off, the last 3 years weren't mindboggling, but they weren't exactly terrible either. So, I give Tubby, his staff, and of course the players credit for 2 SEC Regular Season Championships, 1 SEC Tourney Championship, 2 Sweet 16 and finishing ranked in the top 25 every year.
Secondly, Brian Smith will not be attending some "small" school in Kentucky. Brian Smith has offers from other schools, including one camped out in the top 25 by the name of Dayton.
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Post by UKFAN on Mar 5, 2003 18:59:34 GMT -5
Never did say I was a better coach than Tubby, but I do know a little about the game and have had many years experience in coaching at different levels. Communication is a great tool and I think in prior years Tubby fell short in that area. Also, I will repeat, he is now doing a lot of the things I said he should be doing, i.e. more pressure on the ball (makes it hard for a team to get in their offense and also helps with the 3 pt defense, using all of the half court (in prior years the team shot very few shots from the corners because we were not making that extra pass), getting the ball inside for the inside/out game (this has worked very well this year and is a contributing factor in the teams great success), he kicked troublemakers off of the team. Some of those troublemakers should of been kicked off the team during the season last year. You can bet your bottom dollar if a player back talked me in front of 23,000 fans he would be watching the game from the stands.) Like I said before, I don't think I am the coach Tubby is, but he is doing some of the things I said he should of been doing for the past three years.
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Post by Tummygoat on Mar 5, 2003 19:46:05 GMT -5
I really just dont understand you UKFAN. I like you, but I just can't figure out why you are the one person in all of this nation that seems to find something wrong with Tubby or finds a way to discredit him. We are in the making of one of our most historical seasons and yet you question everything we've done and then go back to the mediocre past as if it has something to do with the present and future. There is obviously something underlining all of your thoughts and dislike and I wont say it in a public venue, but if you want to private message me, I would like to understand and express my concern.
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Post by kj on Mar 5, 2003 21:32:01 GMT -5
Is there a saying if one doesn't learn from history, one is doomed to repeat it? Might be apropo.  Recent history has been much more enjoyable for this Cat fan. |
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