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Post by ForeverBigBlue on Mar 5, 2003 21:51:44 GMT -5
Well based on that kj, then one could say Tubby DID learn from history. By the same token, one should learn to live in the present and look to the future instead of CONSTANTLY rehashing the past.
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Post by kj on Mar 5, 2003 23:48:24 GMT -5
We'll see if the lessons learned were relatively short lived or long term if the Tub sticks around, won't we, Michele? Why for the last 3 years have you CONSTANTLY said wait and see, wait and see, instead of looking at what was happening as it happened. I'd call that gazing at the future as much as you say I bring up the past. Maybe the glass half full vs half empty theory applies here
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Post by Administrator on Mar 6, 2003 1:15:07 GMT -5
I cannot freakin believe this thread is still going! Even after the most emotional Senior Night in recent memory. UNFREAKINBELIEVABLE!!!
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Post by ForeverBigBlue on Mar 6, 2003 8:57:08 GMT -5
Actually what that seems to suggest is some people's dislike of Tubby overshadows their love for the Cats. And THAT is what is so freakin' UNBELIEVABLE.
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Post by TedRay80 on Mar 6, 2003 9:35:54 GMT -5
If every one season in four from here on out is as enjoyable as this season has been, I'll gladly take three "mediocre" sweet 16 seasons for one like this. I'd imagine just about every other rational fan in the nation would, too. Last night was perhaps the most fun game I've ever attended at Rupp. If it takes Tubby's teams a few years to get on board and these are the results afterwards, you won't hear me complaining.
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Post by still_busted on Mar 6, 2003 10:19:42 GMT -5
I suppose this====If every one season in four from here on out is as enjoyable as this season has been, I'll gladly take three "mediocre" sweet 16 seasons for one like this. means the glass is one FOURTH FULL HUH! We SHOULD NEVER live in the PAST, but we are DOOMED to REPEAT it if we fail to lose sight of it. That WAS evident in 99-00-01 and 02. Seems as if those four years we did NOT remember what happened the previous years. I am thrilled to death to see UK playing like the WILDCAT TEAMS I grew up watching play and that was OVER 60 years ago. SO, for those who have NOT been fortunate enoughj to REMEMBER the GLORY years as Rupp so named them, then you would not appreciate where I am coming from. There was a MERE mention to HOW WELL we were playing now and it was brought up that it was about time and this thread has gone where darn near every other one has gone when it deals with the MEDIOCRITY we ALL suffered thru plus the TURMOIL. ANYONE is entitled to what they want and I for one would NEVER attempt to change their thoughts and I will not allow anyone to try to make me believe the way THEY feel either. THOUGHTS are something we ALL have and FACTS are something that we ALL have to deal with. Last night in my easy chair, memories came back to me about past senior nights when Othello Phumphry sang My Old Kentuky Home and TEARS came to my eyes. BUT, the strongest memory I remembered about Senior Night was being about 10 feet away from Happy Chandler when HE sang it for the last time. NOW, I ask you this, FORGET THOSE MEMORIES? Hell no I will not, no more than FORGET the last four years. IF they had BEEN GOOD seasons would we be asked to forget them as well??? THIS====Actually what that seems to suggest is some people's dislike of Tubby overshadows their love for the Cats. And THAT is what is so freakin' UNBELIEVABLE is totally out of character from you Michele. I LOVE my CATS and have LOVED them BEFORE Tubby. I DISLIKED Tubby BEFORE her came to UK as head coach, so WHY should I suddenly START liking him just BECAUSE he is the coach? OR, STOP LOVING the CATS BECAUSE he is??? Doesn't that border on JUDGING someone's LOYALTY to our program because they do NOT like the SAME PERSON you do?
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Post by kj on Mar 6, 2003 10:38:33 GMT -5
Good post, busted. SOME are getting kind of judgemental of others these days.
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Post by ForeverBigBlue on Mar 6, 2003 11:14:22 GMT -5
I THIS====Actually what that seems to suggest is some people's dislike of Tubby overshadows their love for the Cats. And THAT is what is so freakin' UNBELIEVABLE is totally out of character from you Michele. I LOVE my CATS and have LOVED them BEFORE Tubby. I DISLIKED Tubby BEFORE her came to UK as head coach, so WHY should I suddenly START liking him just BECAUSE he is the coach? OR, STOP LOVING the CATS BECAUSE he is??? Doesn't that border on JUDGING someone's LOYALTY to our program because they do NOT like the SAME PERSON you do? That is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. I am not asking ANYONE to like Tubby. What I said seemed very clear: its that some fans seem more intent on continuing to find fault with Tubby than they are in celebrating what the Cats are doing RIGHT NOW. That is not questioning anyone's loyalty to the program, but it certainly does question their PRIORITIES. Is it truly more important at this point in time to keep beating the same dead horse of "the past 3 years" than it is to say, "Hey Cats...great season, awesome game, another SEC title and things looking great going to the tourney!"? You call me judgemental? It seems some are getting a bit too defensive on a simple observation. I did not question whether anyone was a fan or not. I know we are ALL fans...otherwise, why would we put this much passion into these posts? I just thought it would be really great, although obviously IMPOSSIBLE, for all fans to band together for one little stretch of tourney games and send positive vibes out to the world about OUR Cats.
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Post by ChrisR155 on Mar 6, 2003 11:22:32 GMT -5
Amen, BigBlue!
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Post by TedRay80 on Mar 6, 2003 11:54:51 GMT -5
Busted, this "mediocrity" that we've all had to "suffer" through the past few years really isn't too far from UK tradition. Whining like a spoiled brat that we only are a top 4 team once every four years is ridiculous. Beginning in 1942 (I started here rather than in 1903 or the numbers REALLY wouldn't support you), UK has gone to the Final Four 13 times and won the national championship 7. That averages out to about one Final Four every 5 years and one championship every 9 years. Those are not mediocre standards, and they are being more than upheld currently.
Perhaps your idea of UK's tradition is 1949-1952 or 1996-1998. Pretty easy to choose a three-year span that NO ONE can constantly live up to. According to UK's real tradition, though, this "mediocrity" you refer to is our standard, and it is better than anyone else's. If you don't want to "suffer" through any more, I would suggest you become a UK cheerleading fan or quit watching sports altogether. You'll be hard pressed to find a higher standard.
kj, perhaps you missed the deleted posts if you are referring to others as judgmental. The only overly personal, judgmental posts that have been made are deleted, and they came from someone you're trying to support.
Check your facts before you post, please. It will save us all the trouble.
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Post by TedRay80 on Mar 6, 2003 12:00:42 GMT -5
By the way, the more I think about it, the more I realize how lucky we are. While some complain that we have to "suffer" through three tough seasons to have one like this, I realize that most teams' fans would kill for just ONE season like this one, EVER. What a great year! I hope it ends on such a high note, but it's sure been a nice ride regardless.
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Post by kj on Mar 6, 2003 12:05:20 GMT -5
Sorry Teddy, but I wasn't addressing you.
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Post by still_busted on Mar 6, 2003 13:54:06 GMT -5
Sorry Michele, but, I Call this====Actually what that seems to suggest is some people's dislike of Tubby overshadows their love for the Cats. And THAT is what is so freakin' UNBELIEVABLE
BEING judgemental. To SUGGEST that WE WHO DO NOT LIKE Tubby are OVERSHADOWS our LOVE for the cats IS judgemental in my opinion.
AND, the GLASS IS one fourth FULL if ONE out of of FOUR YEARS is a GOOD OMEN of what we HAVE been, That is of course MY opinion and that is just like BUTTS. Most everyone HAS one. It just appears as if SOME are BIGGER than others.
While some complain that we have to "suffer" through three tough seasons to have one like this, I realize that most teams' fans would kill for just ONE season like this one, EVER.
You CONTINUE to compare US to OTHER schools and for the life of me I can't understand WHY. I am a KENTUCKY WILDCAT FAN and could NOT care less what OTHER SCHOOLS, OR their FANs do
THIS===That is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. I am not asking ANYONE to like Tubby. What I said seemed very clear: its that some fans seem more intent on continuing to find fault with Tubby than they are in celebrating what the Cats are doing RIGHT NOW.
seems to smack as a statement that we as those who do NOT like Tubby do NOT support the CATS. I am ECSTATIC that we are where we are right now and HAVE cheered as much as ANYONE has. I AM NOT finding FAULT with Tubby NOW and have OPENLY PRAISED him. However, he is still not one of my favorite people and I assume he couild NOT CARE LESS about that either as he STATED that TRADITION at UK was something he was NOT Aware of and I questioned that comment. I know the FIRST time I stepped foot in Rupp Arena, CHILLS came over me and to actually HEAR the CROWD get into the game and not have chills yourself tells me that you are NOT impressed.
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Post by ForeverBigBlue on Mar 6, 2003 14:59:05 GMT -5
Busted, you are reading far too much into the statement. How is that questioning anyone's "loyalty"? I cannot help but think for at least 3 weeks in March, ALL Cats fans could put aside their differences/dislike of Tubby and be totally positive about our team. why is that questioning loyalty? That is a simple dream of a big Cat fan.
Without getting into long drawn out detail here, I will be happy to PM you & explain further if you like.
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Post by Tummygoat on Mar 6, 2003 15:16:41 GMT -5
well i was once a stupid, ignorant fan thinking that Tubby was not a good coach or the right coach for Kentucky. Teddy and I have would some mild bouts, but in the end, I finally realized I was stupid and ignorant. To think three seasons of 10 losses and Sweet Sixteen appearances seemed to put a lump in my throat. Then after last season I thought, geez, if we couldn't do it with the personnel that we had last year, how could we ever do it? To my surprise we are 25-3 and breaking the record books in a positive way. Have I changed my tone? YES. Do I think Tubby is right for Kentucky? YES (Maybe the best since Rupp himself). Do I think the future is bright (Um, we have no first rounder on this team yet we are the best team in America, so YES). I apologize to all those that I criticized for loving Tubby. I didn't think he was right, but now that I see what he is capable of and then looking back and realizing that things were NOT bad (looking at UNC, ARK, UCLA, MICH, UL, etc) If thats the worst we could be under Tubby, I think that's pretty darn good. I dont know why some of you can't jump like me. I DO EXPECT everyone to love Tubby because of what he's done for our program and the respect he brings us. No other coach has done more with little than Tubby and that article about him shaking hands with people after games, still gives me chills down my spine...I was really taken aback like him. If you do not support or like Tubby as a Cat fan, yes I think you are totally ignorant and benign to the fact he's an amazing Coach. He has done absolutely not ONE thing this season to have any complaints. He is CLEARLY THE BEST COACH FOR KENTUCKY. CLEARLY.
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